Official thread: ‘Get Britain Working’ White Paper released Tuesday 26th November

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  • Kaliwax
    Kaliwax Online Community Member Posts: 85 Empowering

    Reform will send everyone out to work whether they like it or not? They don't want doctors involved in to assess whether you are fit to work or not, they want to bring their own people in, with their own agenda.

    Plus the 4 months to get a job isn't going to be easy for the disabled is it? If Reform get in, I do fear for us disabled.

  • Kaliwax
    Kaliwax Online Community Member Posts: 85 Empowering

    Im worried about them repealing the equality act, and leaving the ECHR. They won't have GP's involved in their own fit to work/disability assessments either. Plus they said if you dont get a job within 4 months your benefits stops, I don't think I know a disabled person who got a job in less than 4 months.

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Online Community Member Posts: 502 Pioneering

    What evidence have you got that reform will fo this ?, ECHR have done nothing to help disabled people from the torys, dwp, only care about foreign criminals can't be deported.

  • Biblioklept
    Biblioklept Online Community Member Posts: 54 Empowering

    I think the ECHR provides a lot of protections to disabled people and I'd be very very worried about leaving it!!!

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 2,797 Championing

    I think we still need echr imagine uk writing own human rights I've read many articles stating reform will come out of echr and will look at abolishing benefits

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 2,797 Championing

    What's worrying is already deliberately putting in so many different articles people couldn't be deported due to ECHR so people get uneasy but what they don't relize it protects disabled and workers alot of people in uk it's not hard to control the people they put something out there and everyone argues between each others do it myself how I wish we would all unite and demand the life's we all deserve and my personal thought is labour pushed to spring to see what actually happens with ellen clifford case was reading labour was really pushing back on it but the judge demanded some of the information from DWP

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 2,797 Championing

    That's what ellen clifford stated that it's all about cutting money even the judges everyone knows it was reading don't know how true but said 3.5 million to help people with back problems and joint issues back to work

  • stay_positive
    stay_positive Online Community Member Posts: 375 Empowering

    Thanks for replying , have you got any proof of this so I can read it please , and who are the far right , do you mean those who voted to leave the EU and those who didn't vote Labour ? just wondering .

  • whistles
    whistles Online Community Member Posts: 1,946 Championing

    Where is the official article discussing this.

    I am ignoring anything from social media or newspapers looking to stir the pot.

    They will need to support people back into work, that's going to cost money. Probably more than they will actually save if the truth be told!

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 2,677 Championing
    edited December 22

    I'm more worried about the far right getting in 5 years time. I think the far right, will get rid of any welfare all together

    Kaliwax, I don't think there's any chance of Reform ever getting into power - they'll have a new name in 5 years' time anyway! Fringe groups aren't new in the UK. They take a few seats from the Tory's, that's all they can do.

    Don't get drawn into others' migrant talk on a thread about getting Britain working again is my gentle advice to you.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 2,677 Championing
    edited December 22

    Can we all please keep this thread on topic?

    Official thread: ‘Get Britain Working’ White Paper released Tuesday 26th November

  • stay_positive
    stay_positive Online Community Member Posts: 375 Empowering

    REFORM are doing very well , nobody can say they can never be in power .

  • lizptsd
    lizptsd Online Community Member Posts: 153 Empowering

    Nice one!! Very helpful comment when everyone is so anxious. This is why I'm not happy how this thread has been continuing and causing so much torment.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 2,677 Championing
    edited December 22

    lizptsd, tell community_scope via the envelope icon.

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Online Community Member Posts: 502 Pioneering

    How do I leave the forum ,

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 2,797 Championing

    Im nt going worry for 5 years time im worried for next year

  • stay_positive
    stay_positive Online Community Member Posts: 375 Empowering
    edited December 23

    You have to request it to be deleted . There should be the option to do it yourself , but there isn't .

  • MadMilan2019
    MadMilan2019 Online Community Member Posts: 10 Contributor

    Quite naturally, many people are worried; let me try to allay your fears:

    • Britain is not going to leave the ECHR, Labour has not said it will leave the ECHR, and the ECHR is totally 'separate' institution from the EU.
    • The Tories talked about leaving the ECHR for ears and years but never did. Fact.
    • Britain, thus has a Human Rights Act 200, please Google it and read it, what the law actually says, and what it protects us from; it protects us from discrimination and abuse of any kind cannot be tolerated; if you feel abused, you can take the government of the day to court, as an individual, or as group action, with others(please Google ''civil legal aid, U.K.''
    • There is an Equality Amendment Act 2010, which merged all the previous antidiscrimination laws; it is ne of the most comprehensive equal opportunity laws in th world - apart from South Africa's.
    • There is the UN Charter on the Rights of Disabled People, which Britain has signed; please Google it and read it.
    • There is ''Disability Rights, U.K'' and the ''Mind Legal Unit'' please Google these and read them well.

    Finally, I have not attended any benefits test for ESA or PIP for 20 years.

    Yet even the Citizen's Advice Bureaux wrongly advise disabled people that they have to attend Work Capability, or PIP assessments; you emphatically do NOT have to attend benefit assessments, if

    • it makes you fell stressed, your health deteriorates with the anxiety of facing them (duty of care) and /or the assessment process cause you to think, feel or act suicidally (ECHR Article 2 your Right to Life).
    • No one, nobody, not even govt can bully, intimidate or harass you: all you have to say is: ''I feel suicidal/ bullied, intimidated/ harassed and / or suicidal by your talking down to me, and not following your duty of care towards me.''
    • Every citizen has a right to dignity, humanity, respect for theiur views, ven if against govt policy, and that includes disabled and distressed people.
    • You health and safety is affected; there are Health and Safety laws

    The discussion in SCOPE's forum I have found is too negative, worried and unproductive, we need to gem up on our human rights, and for SCOPE to tell us weekly on a Monday I suggest, what it is currently doing to work with disabled organisations, like Disability Rights UK, Mind Legal Unit, and others e.g. Equality and Advisory Committee of the Equality and Human Rights Commission (I have sent this post to the CEO's, campaign managers of the latter organisations, and many others, e.g. elderly peoples groups, as it concerns them too.

  • MadMilan2019
    MadMilan2019 Online Community Member Posts: 10 Contributor

  • MadMilan2019
    MadMilan2019 Online Community Member Posts: 10 Contributor

    Quite naturally, many people are worried; let me try to allay your fears:

    • Britain is not going to leave the ECHR, Labour has not said it will leave the ECHR, and the ECHR is totally 'separate' institution from the EU.
    • The Tories talked about leaving the ECHR for ears and years but never did. Fact.
    • Britain, thus has a Human Rights Act 200, please Google it and read it, what the law actually says, and what it protects us from; it protects us from discrimination and abuse of any kind cannot be tolerated; if you feel abused, you can take the government of the day to court, as an individual, or as group action, with others(please Google ''civil legal aid, U.K.''
    • There is an Equality Amendment Act 2010, which merged all the previous antidiscrimination laws; it is ne of the most comprehensive equal opportunity laws in th world - apart from South Africa's.
    • There is the UN Charter on the Rights of Disabled People, which Britain has signed; please Google it and read it.
    • There is ''Disability Rights, U.K'' and the ''Mind Legal Unit'' please Google these and read them well.

    Finally, I have not attended any benefits test for ESA or PIP for 20 years.

    Yet even the Citizen's Advice Bureaux wrongly advise disabled people that they have to attend Work Capability, or PIP assessments; you emphatically do NOT have to attend benefit assessments, if

    • it makes you fell stressed, your health deteriorates with the anxiety of facing them (duty of care) and /or the assessment process cause you to think, feel or act suicidally (ECHR Article 2 your Right to Life).
    • No one, nobody, not even govt can bully, intimidate or harass you: all you have to say is: ''I feel suicidal/ bullied, intimidated/ harassed and / or suicidal by your talking down to me, and not following your duty of care towards me.''
    • Every citizen has a right to dignity, humanity, respect for theiur views, ven if against govt policy, and that includes disabled and distressed people.
    • You health and safety is affected; there are Health and Safety laws

    The discussion in SCOPE's forum I have found is too negative, worried and unproductive, we need to gem up on our human rights, and for SCOPE to tell us weekly on a Monday I suggest, what it is currently doing to work with disabled organisations, like Disability Rights UK, Mind Legal Unit, and others e.g. Equality and Advisory Committee of the Equality and Human Rights Commission (I have sent this post to the CEO's, campaign managers of the latter organisations, and many others, e.g. elderly peoples groups, as it concerns them too.