WCA consultation ruled unlawful - White paper, part 2

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  • MadMilan2019
    MadMilan2019 Online Community Member Posts: 57 Empowering

    Getting Britain Working White Paper ruled unlawful;

    huge victory, we shall see. Human rights cannot be ignored, and we have a independent (of the govt of the day) judiciary, which is basic to democracy: the govt cannot be judge, jury, lawmaker, and executioner.

    Laws must be objective and serve all citizens: all are equal under the law; nobody, not even govt, is above the law.

    So keep writing to you MP: Google ''Fin your MP'' please.

    Never give up. D o not give up on human rights to benefits,

    right to life duty of care, health and safety etc. I guess there are about 300* human rights, so can we really lose, if we get solicitors, and barristers to enforce them on our behalf as citizens with universal rights?

    • Under domestic UK , UN, and ECHR laws
  • YogiBear
    YogiBear Online Community Member Posts: 39 Contributor

    By the looks of it major reform to disability benefits is on the way. I just wish the government would be upfront with what the changes are going to be. Until they do say there is going to be never ending speculation by the media etc.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 3,468 Championing
    edited January 20

    Let's just stick to the facts -

    The LAST government's consultation process was ruled unlawful. This government will re-consult.

  • mangomungo
    mangomungo Online Community Member Posts: 140 Empowering

    I’ve just given up. Probably will be my last post here aswell as I’ve noticed replies getting snippier and I’ve had warnings from mods about the content of my comments. The government don’t care about me or my well-being so whatever happens, happens and if that means me being retraumatised into psychosis again by the benefits system then so be it. If that means no longer being able to have my sanity or any food or heating then so what, I feel helpless and like the dregs of society anyway and I’m sick of fighting against a mega machine that see me as a problem and not a person so I’m just done. I wish everyone here the best but I don’t hold out any hope for the future of this country or things getting any better

  • MadMilan2019
    MadMilan2019 Online Community Member Posts: 57 Empowering

    It is a good Q that 'Labour' govt will still go ahead with disability benefit reforms, in fact I am sure they are consulting their lawyers, and bill writers right now.

    We've won a battle not the war. We can win the war - which is an unfortunate word for a practicing Buddhist of 25.5 years like myself. And there is no justification for revenge, or ilwwil, ever Buddha said. We need to make a legal and moral case, with sweet reason, compassion for all, and show the govt and others, the very best in humans. Any fool can get cynical, downhearted, depressed, anxious, and inactive; we are better than that.

    We are stronger, and more effective than we know; stronger together; unity is strength. I am impressed by the more positive tone in SCOPE's discussion forum in recent weeks; we are not victims. People have shown willingness to explore egal options, taken up a more positive suggested, active, organised tone. And have shared their legal, and other knowledge and inspirations.

    Keep going, but we still need an alliance of disabled peoples organisations, Age UK as elderly often have several disabilities, trade unions, the TUC, friendly and free for good cause/ pro bono lawyers, e.g. Mind Legal Unit, pro bone group itself.

    And we need to know what SCOPE Campaigns, and media dept are doing to create and promulgate this positive suggestion for a Disability Benefits Alliance

  • carbow32
    carbow32 Online Community Member Posts: 219 Empowering

    I feel the same I am not too sure how much further they can push me. It is a thin line now.

  • Zipz
    Zipz Online Community Member Posts: 1,650 Empowering

    But disabled people are not strong, united, or allied. The changes initiated by the Con/LD coalition proved that. Those changes led to deaths yet they didn't shock the general public, voters we need on side. The Green Paper re PIP of last year received a mere 16,000 responses from interested parties and only a tiny number of disability/ health related charities forwarded their perspectives. Cuts to welfare is a cross-party consensus. MPs are interested in their political futures… not us. We are weak and the easiest means of filling the supposed financial Black Hole. I'm exhausted and without hope now.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 3,889 Championing

    Just so much out there sayimg lords are pushing for this to be done quicker im worried about it alll plays with your head thanks for message

  • carbow32
    carbow32 Online Community Member Posts: 219 Empowering

    I can't take anymore of this. I am done now they have pushed me over the edge today.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 3,468 Championing
    edited January 20

    carbow32, we are united as a community and we have a voice on this forum!

    This ruling came about because of DPAC's determination to expose the truth. They did this for you and me. This is progress because only with the facts can we challenge any new proposals..

    About Disabled People against Cuts (DPAC)

    DPAC is a grass roots campaign body. It was formed by a group of disabled people after the first mass protest against the austerity cuts and their impact on disabled people held on the 3rd October in Birmingham 2010, England. It was led by disabled people under the name of The Disabled Peoples’ Protest. DPAC has over 20,000 members & supporters and an outreach of over 45,000 disabled people. DPAC works with many anti-cuts groups, Universities, Disabled Peoples’ Organizations, and Unions.

  • Remina
    Remina Online Community Member Posts: 273 Empowering
    edited January 20

    It boggles my mind that the lords comittee claimed that..

    "Work Capability Assessment (WCA) is not rigorous enough."

    At least hundreds, possibly thousands, of people have been driven into early graves after having their support wrongly cut off due to failing their WCA. How much more "rigorous" could they possibly want to make it?!

  • carbow32
    carbow32 Online Community Member Posts: 219 Empowering

    I just get weakier and weakier by the next thing I read .. this has been a bashing to my mental since latter part of 2023. It is like they want to beat us into submission take our LCWRA and leave us too weak to fight for it back. I'm done!! I am now definitely going to deregister as self employed with them (selling some craft items) before they use that to steal away the LCWRA. So in effect they are pushing me further from work not closer to it out of scaring me.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 3,468 Championing
    edited January 20

    I didn't understand that either. The summary is from B&W. I've had a quick look at the letter to Liz Kendall 😶

    Tomorrow from 11:30 - 12:30 is Live Treasury Questions with Rachel Reeves.

    ( BBC Parliament )

    (I won't be watching)

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 3,468 Championing
    edited January 20

    I am now definitely going to deregister as self employed with them (selling some craft items) before they use that to steal away the LCWRA. So in effect they are pushing me further from work not closer to it out of scaring me.

    Definitely don't deregister is my advice.

    If you are "not gainfully self-employed" - as only they call it because nobody else does - this is protecting you. It means you are economically active which is what they want from the rest of us. It means they can't just randomly stop your benefits.

    Don't let this silly terminology make you feel you aren't doing enough!!

    The way I see it, the rich have always seen the poor as a burden. I don't think they distinguish between 'the poor' and 'the disabled' even if the media does. We used to read a snippet about politics in a newspaper but now we're drowning in information and misinformation. Being creative is the best way of removing yourself from worry.

  • JasonRA
    JasonRA Online Community Member Posts: 116 Empowering

    I would like to clarify that what the cross party of Lords said were recommendations, nothing is set in stone in regards of reforms. Labour don't have to pay any attention to what 14 Lords.

    There will be a Green Paper, there will be a consultation on WCA changes but that high court ruling last week is in our favor and so Labour will have to be open and transparent to what changes are to come.

    That's cause for optimism rather than worry and pessimism, lastly there are people on our side.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 3,468 Championing
    edited January 20

    What I spotted in a list of former members of that committee was an Oakeshott related to Isabel Oakeshott 🙄

  • carbow32
    carbow32 Online Community Member Posts: 219 Empowering
    edited January 20

    My fear with them is I am LCWRA substantial risk. I have got Bipolar which has had me sectioned and also a suicide attempt. My fear and reasons for (out of fear) is they could put me down to just LCW and consider the self employment as work related activity. Then I lose the £400ish. I cannot sell enough items to make that £400 a month without making myself more ill (oh the irony). That said I have severe IBS and would as it stands qualify on that descriptor.

    I get what you are saying would they pick on someone who is already doing a bit of self employment. They are so twisted I wouldn't put it passed them.

    What they need is a disabled working element attached to UC. Like there was in Tax Credits. For quite a while I worked minimal hours and claimed that. Life was fine. I was not then constantly shaking heart racing heart racing can't sleep.

    I am most certainly not a well bunny at all but the last 18 months they are making me sicker and sicker.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 3,468 Championing
    edited January 20

    Exactly that carbow - deregister and you become a candidate for their idea of help to get back into work.

    They would need a reason to stop your benefits plus evidence that you have magically recovered which you haven't.

    Being not gainfully self-employed just means you're not earning enough to fully support yourself. But that's fine. You are doing something and you are earning. You have a self-employed status rather than being unemployed 😃

    The 2010 Housing Benefit regulations wrecked what had been a reasonably fair welfare benefits system for low earners and forced up rents. Social Security is not what it used to be and it's absolutely not your fault if you cannot support yourself. I can't despite trying very hard when I was young and I no longer feel guilty because we keep them in work and yes, it is twisted!

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 3,889 Championing

    Makes me cry that we are all suffering the acaremongering is weighing heavy i prey it wont be as bad as we fear media doesnt help with that im sending a big hug its not easy at all for us oneday at a time

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 3,889 Championing

    Your not dreg of society we have had everything thrown at us your a valued member here keep posting keep talking God today been horrendous talk about blue monday they weremt wrong im sending you a big hug and look forward to you posting again i think its good to be on forum for me because when i feel terriefied god my spelling someone will speak facts and explain how politics works today i stayed in bed taken sleeping tablets to just get today over hopefully tommorrow a good day sending you love