March 26th and Green Paper Mega Discussion (ITV leaks, etc)

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  • wheelie
    wheelie Online Community Member Posts: 5 Listener
    edited March 8

    I wish I could edit my message as my typing looks terrible, but it's all finger trouble on my mobile.

  • Jimm_Alumni
    Jimm_Alumni Scope alumni Posts: 5,717 Championing
    edited March 8

    These are both from the previous government and not the current government. As @Kimmy87 has already mentioned. They matter little now.

  • Jimm_Alumni
    Jimm_Alumni Scope alumni Posts: 5,717 Championing
    edited March 8

    Editing does eventually unlock as you interact with the community more! I know phone typing can be difficult, I make far more typos on my phone than my keyboard. Have you tried a voice to text app at all? I know my partner uses one and they are quite good once you train them on your voice.

  • lifelessordinary
    lifelessordinary Online Community Member Posts: 2 Listener
    edited March 8

    Hi- just want to say the latest situation with PIP is worrying so I thought I’d try and give my thoughts.

    The Green Paper brought out by the Tories has been consigned to the trash bin. It was unworkable anyway.

    Ignore click bait media nonsense. It’s fake news and is usually found on local rags.

    Likewise with “opinion”on social media- no substance to it.

    I just go by official sources ie ministers statements( especially from dwp)

    I can honestly say I haven’t heard anything from the government regarding cutting/means testing of disability benefits. Disability benefits help with the costs which arise from being disabled- they are not counted in means tested benefit assessments.
    There will always be scaremongering and stirring out there. Try to see it for what it is- rubbish spouted by those who prey on the vulnerable.

    Stay well and stay safe

  • lifelessordinary
    lifelessordinary Online Community Member Posts: 2 Listener
    edited March 8

    Yes, there will be a Green Paper from Labour. The government did not respond to the consultation probably because there were consistent negative responses from all who replied.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 5,266 Championing
    edited March 8

    Someone on here said for wca could be passed in 6 to 18 months ?

  • sben
    sben Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 80 Contributor
    edited March 8

    Is DWP forcing people back into work?

  • sben
    sben Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 80 Contributor
    edited March 8

    Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer has previously said people who claim long-term sickness benefits should be made to look for work if they are able to. The UK Government has vowed support to help people get jobs as ministers look to reduce the number of sickness benefits claimants.

    The independent review is due to be completed by this Autumn but the UK Government said a first phase, involving Sir Charlie meeting businesses and health and disability organisations across the country, will be finished by Spring - when significant reforms to health and disability benefits are also expected to be published.

    The DWP said Sir Charlie’s conversations with various groups will aim to “identify the scale, trends, obstacles and opportunities for companies when recruiting and retaining ill and disabled people.

    His recommendations to the UK Government are expected later this year.

    Work and Pensions Secretary Liz Kendall warned the benefits bill for sickness and disability is set to rise “by £26 billion by the end of this Parliament” as she announced plans before Christmas to overhaul the welfare system.

    Long-term sickness has been a major driver in joblessness since the pandemic and one of Labour’s pre-election promises was to increase the employment rate to 80 per cent from around 75 per cent, which would mean around two million more people in work.

    Sir Charlie said: “Losing people from the workforce because of ill-health or disability is bad for many of the individuals, for the businesses employing them, and for the wider economy.

    “It’s a growing problem for us all and it’s one that’s more likely to be resolved by business and government working together.

    “I’m looking forward to engaging closely with businesses, government departments and the many organisations committed to improving our performance here.”

    DWP described the challenge facing the UK Government as “stark”, as more than a third of working-age people report a long-term health condition and around a quarter are classed as disabled.

    The disabled group are three times more likely to be not in work or looking for work, the department said.

    Ms Kendall said: “Millions of people have been left without support to get into work and on at work, and completely held back from reaching their potential for far too long, and the record-high cost of long-term sickness benefits is evidence of that fact.

    “That’s why I am pleased to have Sir Charlie leading this review, bringing a wealth of experience and helping us to get people into work, and most importantly keep them in work, so we can boost living standards and get our economy growing.”

    As part of the plan, Jobcentre’s are to change their focus from monitoring and managing benefit claims to skills and careers, mental health support will be expanded to reduce waiting lists in areas with the highest levels of economic inactivity, and mayors south of the border will be empowered to join up local work, health and skills support to tackle the root causes of inactivity in their areas.

  • worried33
    worried33 Online Community Member Posts: 902 Championing
    edited March 8
  • sben
    sben Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 80 Contributor
    edited March 8

    "People with a disability who receive benefits need them because their cost of living is much higher than a person without one. They shouldn’t be punished for having a long-term condition, or being made to feel like their quality of life can be sacrificed to make ‘savings’."Alison Fuller, director of health improvement and influencing, Epilepsy Action

  • sben
    sben Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 80 Contributor
    edited March 8

    People with epilepsy often report challenges in applying for PIP, with the system being called “chronically flawed” and “not fit for purpose” by Epilepsy Action.

    Previous surveys have revealed that barriers included assessors not understanding epilepsy for 82% of people, and not taking medical records into account, reported by 78% of people.

    People also found their answers weren’t recorded accurately and the PIP application form didn’t allow them to fully explain their condition.

    Of those who were successful in claiming PIP, 63% reported that the money they received was not enough to cover their extra living costs. Disability charity Scope has calculated that disabled people face, on average, extra costs of £583 a month.

  • Doglover2
    Doglover2 Online Community Member Posts: 197 Empowering
    edited March 8

    @luvpink I so agree with all you've said. I've numerous lifelong and also decades long conditions that plague me daily in more than one way, being tested past yr and a bit for Coeliac disease, to add to my already v fragile digestive system to name but one ailment.

    The reassessment process after a short award is ludicrous.

    I've won two tribunals unanimously, and the third time, I was not awarded did get it back at MR.

    This, after being on indefinite dla. And all the rigorous assessments that took place for that might aswell not have happened since they changed to pip.

    I usually ,after at least 5 f2f assessments for esa get paper based now, 5 times since last f2f one,now the change to uc ,when I get my migration notice I know I'll have an assessment at some point on that too. I'm 58,My health like so many of us is in the gutter through no fault of my own. When oh when do they get the picture we aren't making this up.

    Talk about wasting time and money, they are experts at it.

  • luvpink
    luvpink Online Community Member Posts: 1,943 Championing
    edited March 8

    @Doglover2

    The money spent on the assessment contracts and wages paid to assessors could be greatly reduced if they stopped harassing those of us with long term illness/ disabilities that impact our daily lives and we cannot work.

    I get it they need to assess new claimants but they should leave the rest of us alone as we have proven time and again that we qualify for the benefits.

    I will be 63 at my next assessment, its ludicrous.

    I had to take early ill health retirement and I am in the highest tier private pension.

    You would think common sense would prove to them that its so hard to get early ill health retirement and I can't work.

    It really doesn't make any sense.

  • Martin2019
    Martin2019 Online Community Member Posts: 57 Contributor
    edited March 8

    we are going through a pip review. In a separate note a friend applied for PIP 1st October and then after filling in the PIP2 form was told it’s about 12 weeks for an assesment. Then ringing today he has been told assessments are now around 25 weeks from when applying for PIP and that they had a mad rush before Christmas and they they are over worked

  • Ranald
    Ranald Online Community Member Posts: 981 Championing
    edited March 8

    If they stop contracting private providers to reassess claimants, the funnelling upwards of wealth would be interrupted! Won't anyone think of the billionaires? 😉

  • Santosha12
    Santosha12 Online Community Member Posts: 945 Pioneering
    edited March 28

    I agree. They're all too busy at the Trough.

  • judie
    judie Online Community Member Posts: 309 Empowering
    edited March 8

    I often think of the billionaires. I have many plans for them 😉

  • spenny1993
    spenny1993 Online Community Member Posts: 27 Listener
    edited March 8

    hi would pip be cut this year and how long would it take to cut it

  • Kimi87
    Kimi87 Online Community Member Posts: 4,951 Championing
    edited March 8

    Nothing is currently happening to PIP.

    The Government haven't yet released their Green Paper with their proposed changes. This is due next month.

    Any changes will take a long time to become law, years plural, and what eventually does become law will probably differ from the proposals.

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