The Green Paper Discussion (the document link is here too!)

soldcb

But we don’t yet know when they will start this or whether it will be for new claimants only or if some may stay in the CB Support Group old style ESA, or if it will be dependent on age etc. When there are changes like this there’s usually some protections for those who have been in receipt of its predecessor (I know there’s no guarantee they’ll do that this time) like the migration from Incapacity Benefit to the old ESA.
Despite the fact there’s a New style ESA I haven’t been asked to migrate onto it. So I think we need to wait and see, but I agree with others that this aspect has hardly warranted much discussion and they might be hoping to get it in under the radar with all the hype about PIP changes.

Of course the other thing Kendall didn’t mention is the fact they’ll also save a lot on Carers Allowance if they are planning to decrease the numbers qualifying for PIP care component. If you lose PIP care component you’ll also presumably lose CA.

Girl_No1

https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/1005489#Comment_1005489

I agree some employees do not comply with the rulebook.

My point was, I suppose, issues/restraints that currently exist and lead to successful MRs/tribunals may no longer exist when the rulebook for employees is rewritten.

Santosha12

https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/1005427#Comment_1005427

I am so very sorry for the traumatic loss of your dad, that's shocking and utterly heartbreaking. Lost my dad 25 years ago today, it all comes back to me like it was yesterday, often does. Take care of yourself and sending 🫂.

Santosha12

If and when the changes come in, for those of us on UC and LCWRA, if the LCWRA gets stopped in Nov 28, doesn't that mean our UC increases by that amount (ie my UC was something like 900 but got 416 deducted off it as LCWRA is paid separately.

I don't know if this makes sense, it does to me but might not be explaining it well.

mrsBB

https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/1005310#Comment_1005310

The awful thing is Catherine, I voted Labour all my life, all my family did because of our roots, our history. Now I will never vote for them again and that is so sad. I am getting an email together explaining who my Grandad was and what he stood for and send it to my MP, I doubt it will have any effect but maybe it might give her just a tiny twinge of guilt, wont hold my breath though 😊

secretsquirrel1

https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/1005505#Comment_1005505

I always thought the vulnerable were Labour voters . I can’t think who’s going to vote Labour next election.

jul1aorways

@A_Z1961

Thank you so much for your reply. I don't feel so alone with my thoughts on this now because of what you have said. Thank you. 😊

I actually think that it's beyond cruelty that we are put in this position, as you so rightly say, imprisoned in this utterly corrupt and morally bankrupt system. At this point in our lives, it does feel like being forced to play the long game while looking forward to our still distant release from prison.😞

I'm pleased for you that you are at least closer to retirement age than me. I'm 60 and still have just under seven years to wait.

I don't know about you but doesn't it feel odd that on just one day, your birthday where you become state pension age, suddenly, you become, in the eyes of the government and the establishment, free of blame for supposedly being an expensive burden that's ruining the economy to a person that's much more worthwhile and accepted as being honest and much more deserving. Perhaps it's just me but I think that it's really odd, quite surreal in fact. I think that it just shows the ridiculous, ideological, divide and rule thinking behind it all and certainly it has nothing to do with the lives that people like us are forced to live. 😠

Santosha12

https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/1005511#Comment_1005511

I'm so sorry I think I'm wrong about this.

Zipz

https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/1005438#Comment_1005438

Unfortunately, to say the least, people clobbered by Labour are proposing to vote for Reform, locally and nationally.

Charlie_Alumni

Hi all, this discussion has reached nearly 100 pages and has become difficult for everyone, and particularly new members, to find the information they need. With this in mind we have started a new discussion with some of the key points and will be encouraging conversation to move there instead.