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boriswho
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This is how I should have filled my last application for moving around criteria
What rate should I get 0 point or lower rate or higher.?
What do you think do you think my recent tribunal loss was incorrect?
Based on the new application details which should have been put in my 1St application.
Thanks for your time
How do you think this should impact universal credit lcw on moving around criteria as my problems don't change unlike the application process.
Citizens advice have told me that I'm not entitled after tribunal loss however I don't think they understand the gravity of this situation on my health.
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What rate should I get 0 point or lower rate or higher.?
What do you think do you think my recent tribunal loss was incorrect?
Based on the new application details which should have been put in my 1St application.
Thanks for your time
How do you think this should impact universal credit lcw on moving around criteria as my problems don't change unlike the application process.
Citizens advice have told me that I'm not entitled after tribunal loss however I don't think they understand the gravity of this situation on my health.
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Personally I wouldn't include phrases like "sometimes pain is exacerbated" and "occasionally causes dizziness" because they don't apply to the majority of the time and they may be not taken into account by the assessor.
Good luck anyway - you should be commended for keeping mobile (it's very difficult I know)
1 - all of the information you have put about pain in general should really go in the Extra Information part of the form at the end. They know your condition and they know it causes you pain but that’s not what they’ve asked you here. Look at the question again but look also at the PIP points scoring requirements - https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/personal-independence-payment-pip/pip-points-system - and not just how they’re converted those to the overly long question in the claim pack.
At no point in your answer have you given the distance you can walk in one go before you have to stop; nor whether you can do that repeatedly or not or at what speed. 200m in 1 day is the answer to a different question. On that alone this would score 0 points. I’m not saying that’s what you ought to score. It’s impossible to say one way or another on a forum or during a telephone call. You possibly need face to face advice. I am simply saying that, regardless of your condition, that your answer as it stands would generally score 0 points because a decision maker could not read that and understand what one walk would look like. I’m not even clear from that whether your 200m is indoors or out or both.
Also look to cut out the irrelevant stuff. You can say what you want about standing and sitting but if they can read that and still have no idea what a single walk looks like then 0 points will be scored.
2 - think very carefully about contradictions in what you have written. There’s an obvious contradiction for example in saying you “continue to keep active walking through pain” whilst saying you walk a total of 200m per day for example. You need to explain yourself much clearer.
Non-weight bearing for a day or two for example. Well, which is it? Is it one day or two? Is it mostly one but sometimes two or vice verse? What makes the difference? Do you mean that you sit and don’t walk or do you mean you are bed bound? Are you bed-bound immediately after walking or the day after? Put yourself in the shoes of the decision maker who sees hundreds of cases like yours. I’ve just seen your answer and I don’t know what you mean. What are you giving the DM which helps them understand what you mean? From my perspective you’re giving them more questions than answers and they simply aren’t obliged to ask those further questions. At the claim stage the onus is on you to prove entitlement not them. Answers similar to this at tribunal would also produce 0 points. Did you attend your hearing?
3 - the conspicuous issue with your answer is that it’s all assertion. This causes that. This makes that worse. I can’t do this because. Obviously I’m not quoting verbatim but you get the gist. The bottom line with all benefits is that you cannot assert and assert alone. You need to provide evidence to back up your assertion. This is not medical evidence as regards this sort of question but actual anecdotal examples. So, your answer to this question might be reduced by 50% or more in length but be 100% more effective if you gave 2 detailed examples of incidents which have occurred when you have walked.
A DM needs to know what happens when you walk. Are you in pain before you walk? Where? Does that get worse or is a different pain occurring? How far can you walk in 1 go? When did you last do that? What happened? Who witnessed it? Hospitalisation and so on?
Just two recent examples - perhaps one where you fell and one where you got stuck and couldn’t get back to where you started - would be far better and much more directed at the question. This applies to every question you answer in the form.
If you actually can’t provide two recent examples per activity then I think it’s reasonable to surmise that 0 points may be correct in most cases.
When you say recent issues?? How recent last 12 months good enough?
I have variations in severity the last major problem was with my lower back in january I attended hospital I drove there I walked to the a&e entrance about 200 meters took a long time.
I saw someone they just wrote a script for 30mg codeine and sent me away.
So I've continued this way since with pain relief at home stuck in the house all the time can't go out never got nowt to go anywhere or do anything.
Ive stopped doing do much since then don't want that pain back, but have had many mini scares with the knees that gives, I don't fall but I'm not far off. I struggle to walk temporarily. I think it's the cartlidge getting caught in the joint as it has rips and tears and feels like it rips or tears everytime a knee cracks catches or gives I have to sit down this makes my long term issues with my back flare.
I really do need to keep active but lack motivation and energy.
These issues are most definitely exacerbated by the gives and catches with the knees & ankle forcing me to sit, my lower back issue is however another matter.
My partner has witnessed my be haulted in my tracks many times by a knee or ankle issue I find the best option is to try to keep moving it will right itself hopefully....quickly.
I usually carry on by using the shopping trolley or a pram as an aid I suppose until I get back to the car to return home to recover.
As for the heel pain I don't stand long periods but from employment history in 2016/2017 this used to become apparent after being on my feet between 1 to 4 hours (estimated)without a break, now it's apparent when stood for 5/10 mins and get worse the longer I try to stay on my feet (was thinking about trying to stand at my assessment to show this but you can't see it)
Citizens advice has tried to help with a written submission but I don't think they had the time to be thorough.
I'm not so good at writing story's in this past tense view especially about myself how can I possibly paint a picture for these people for them to understand or understand without this financial support they are in effect making my conditions worse...
You give an example of driving to hospital but that will have involved walking to/from a vehicle; to/from the entrance so that’s >200m straight away from your own description so again you have to address the contradictions in what you write else the outcome will be the same.
If if you’re no good at describing then get your partner or someone else who knows you to do so. I do appreciate that trying to get things like this down when in pain can be impossible so don’t do it yourself. Get someone else to do it and then you be the critic. Pick holes in it like you were a decision maker or get another person to do that too.
As regards what’s recent there’s no rule. However, it should be obvious that the longer ago an incident was the less relevant it will be.
You also need to put to one any arguments about variations. I’ve yet to meet anyone who doesn’t have a variable condition. It’s not an argument. Ditto getting them to understand the financial impact. Hard as it is, that’s an argument which will harm your claim every time. Focus on one walk. Two examples.
How do I remove the above images of my paperwork.
I've ordered a new form.
I'm going to try to complete it over the next 3 weeks.
I think I may need the link for a diary of symptoms., because I do have a tendency to forget because they're are so many.
Thanks
Boristhebag lol
Don't write War and Peace - just notes like 'walked to end of garden 20yards,, fell over (why?), how you got up, how long you took, how long was it until you were able to walk again etc...
Do this for all of the descriptors that you have difficulty with..
When you apply, as I've said before, don't use vague phrases like 'sometimes', 'occasionally' - say what you mean, taking into account that the assessor needs to know about the majority of the time...
Take your diary with you if you have a F2F...
Well maybe not maybe I can do a little better and give my son the upbringing he deserves than the one which he currently has.....not.
I had the same motor as this chap boris Jonson not long ago it had curtains in lol I loved it hahahah Toyota lucida 2.5Ltr td how bad can your grammar be to sway a dm
I may well get the form right yet 3rd attempt on route feeling slightly positive.
Hopefully I get a good DM and assessor for that matter.
Or even better still no assessment.
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Any advice for the second?
Should I make sure they do full examination as oppose to the last half a shambolic one sitting in a chair and the nurse making it up as she went along she was a pro benefit stopper assumption was her main prerogative(it was her idea to do a half a medical assessment because I was in "pain")
I have either primary or secondary osteoarthritis in a few injured joints. It's variable, aches are the worst sometimes feels like I'm being tortured sometimes pain rises exponentially. I get tinnitus in the ears and feel dizzy from the meds and my neck cracking.
snap crackle and pop syndrome I call it (I made this one up lol )
across a range of joints including several or more weight bearing joints that crack under the pressure.
Other times it's like oh my I'd like to forget that I'm so pleased is over.....but it's not it's there malignantly waiting for the next attempt to disable me completely.
Other times it's like who just shot me in the leg or thumb etc?
I don't know how to explain it
I'm 40
I'm gonna do a diary I will have several daily instances.
Do I rate these on a pain scale of a
1 to 10
1 being nothing and 10 being I'm going to pass out or my head explode from the neck ache that grows into almost a ringing noise in the ears
Is there a diary online one I can download and print off?
Hi guys I've managed to write something I'm thinking of sending to the judge in regards to my 0 point tribunal.
I want to argue my case a little late but....
This is a story from last year's whilst awaiting my assessments I could probably trace a date with debit card transactions and my partner is my witness.
As I did not complete my form correctly for my application for pip. Or attempt to argue any of my case @ tribunal.
Let me know what you think I think this should cover many criteria's....?
I do have these issues on level ground also and could tell of a few more instances
There are gradients steps in road,path surfaces everywhere we go as well as the need to turn??:
Since 'mobility' is about whether you can walk reliably up to 200metres I wonder whether it's good idea giving an example of such a long walk?
You have obvious difficulties - the length of time it takes, having to stop, using the pram etc. and these should be taken into account but perhaps an assessor might conclude that if you are able to walk that far then you should be able to manage a shorter distance (you said that you walked 20 metres without stopping )
That's just how it reads to me - can I say again that it's really good that you continue to be mobile despite your difficulties.
These issues came about after. Work accident
The back problems I've had many years and the neck pain from whiplash at work too lol not having much luck with work never had have had to quit jobs many times because of back issues.
Just had an mri for lower back. Awaiting further results
Thanks for your support @cristobal
This is what it is like when I do such a distance like that and still happens and has happened with shorter distances.
I've tried my best not to manipulate any off the evidence like alot of people say to do because of a web of lies would be requires to complete something like this and I'm not very good at it.
I think it's more than likely unsopportive gp/consultants and my evidence given from my self which I've made numerous errors with submitting incorrect submission from myself where I sent my own personal written submission for uc lcw by accident for my pip tribunal.
The is a part where it is quite steep but it does have many parts which are flat surfaces
This is a useful booklet. I found it helped when filling out the form when my son was a infant two years ago. He was eight months old then. https://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/sites/default/files/pdf/PIPGuidetoclaiming24october%202018.pdf
Scroll down to Appendix C- page 35. Read them all carefully and then select the one which applied to you. Good luck! Keep us updated.
I give no evidence as to her far I could walk as @mikehughescq said about my new application .
I'm currently doing a new application for pip with a little more knowledge the process
I'm waiting for a tribunal for uc lcw after another assessment benefit blocker from maximus they're trying very hard to meet they're targets
I have had a iidb tribunal and the decision was set aside after new evidence came to light after a tribunal which I just emailed in and this set the decision aside-----I'm wondering if I can get something written up which would force the judge to have to set the decision aside and I get a chance to load my gun and go in all gins blazing to another tribunal.
I'm left at home with my three year old son, because my partner has had to take a part time job I'm very worried about my sons safety in regards to my condition possibly affecting him when something happens or I get stuck or something I havnt taught him how to dial 999 yet not that I've needed too call for an ambulance before except for gallstones pain but if he runs on a road or something how am I supposed to get him.
It's an injustice I feel saddened that I'm unable to work atm because of injury sustained at work....
But it's the holidays ATM me and him are just cooked up in the house most of the time unless the weathers nice and we can got the park for a short while.
@April2018mom
For fun activities- https://www.familylives.org.uk/advice/your-family/holidays/how-to-entertain-your-children-in-the-holidays/
And an aggravated whiplash injury which leaves me with permanent neck pain which only came about due to the stress and agonising tortuous examination procedure regarding getting financial help whilst being unable to work and. Doctors and gp and consultants who think your only trying to bump up a personal injury claim who should I attack 1st which one do I have to fight them all? Or should I go for the lacklustre citizens advice ?
Please note, gradients aren't considered with the moving around part.
The following was taken from this link. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/personal-independence-payment-assessment-guide-for-assessment-providers/pip-assessment-guide-part-2-the-assessment-criteria#mobility-activitie
This activity considers a claimant’s physical ability to move around without severe discomfort, such as breathlessness, pain or fatigue. This includes the ability to stand and then move up to 20 metres, up to 50 metres, up to 200 metres and over 200 metres.
If an individual cannot reliably complete an activity in the way described in a descriptor then they should be considered unable to complete it at that level and an alternative descriptor selected.
Notes
This activity should be judged in relation to a type of surface normally expected out of doors, such as pavements on the flat and includes the consideration of kerbs.
Does this look OK for Q2b its rough should I add anymore.
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I never put any of this in my previous claim
Try & be kind to one another even if we may have different views.
I'm making progress
My radiators have came off the wall many times when using them to push off the toilet. My sink is loose on the wall in my downstairs toilet through being used as push me up
Luckily I have a toilet downstairs
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We seem to have gone round in a bit of a circle, but if you look back at some of the early pieces of advice you'll see why....you need specific examples - 200m on an average day doesn't help.
Can I suggest you might have a look at some of the other descriptors and see if you might score points elsewhere before you send your form in?
Thanks for your input, I do personally feel I should have won at least low rate
I will try to Analise a little more before finalising
Precision is key I'd of though cover all angles etc..
I'm going to review it all over the next week or so till the pack comes I suppose like everyone says just be honest & open and tell it as it is. I suppose when I do my 2 week diary this should give a better perspective also.
And use words with more certainty in them instead of vague open ended answers that can be interpreted in many fashions.
I'll test myself with 20 meters 50 meters and 200 and record the outcome.
I'll check distances on foot in regards to hospital visits etc leave no room for error to confirm in my mind as well.
Also recording input one liners as to what's happening or happened
And when issues are exacerbated and why I think it was.
Should I record milder symptoms on the daily diary.
Could someone remove my images posted thanks
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I did seem to drift back into the my old way of describing my issues and as mike said he appreciates trying to describe something and how it affects you is difficult I've wrote and wrote and wrote and when I look at it it's just always the same me focusing on the pain not really how it actually affects me and describing in detail the proves to be further more difficult.
I got my partner to write something for me and looked at it, it was very similar to what I wrote except she wrote "I fell to the floor" I thought this was an exaggeration because I never actually hit the floor but I suppose if when this happened that my other leg done the same I would have and had the trolley in asda had not of been in front of me also to grasp a hold of I would have fell too the floor.
Anyhow I press on I've removed slot if what I've been writing and am trying to stick to the facts.
I will post back if I have any further questions
Thanks all for your input..
Hopefully our new prime minster Boris will do better in his application to our country's issues than I have done in my application for state benefit.....
Reliably - my knees give out I get very tired now also.
Repeatedly - after the 2200 meter trek afterwards I wasn't able to walk 20 meters without severe pain.
This is not the 1St time it's happened it happened also walking literally 20 meters from the car I almost had to hop back and had become unable to weight bear at all right leg ankle.
Which I dont see most of you don't call upon as a descriptor as that I maybe do fit
For 1 week
Have you experienced osteoarthritis of the knee?
What about severe back pain that stops you in your tracks Well I do suffer from these.
I've had sever back issues for 20 years and never asked for nothing from the state, I've keeped on working on and off have done
until you add in the knees problems.
Alongside an undiagnosed ankle fracture for 2 years, my fault I understand...not at all I attended a&e had an X-ray they didn't see it apparently it's a tough one to see....
The system I flawed with inconsistent information for claimants.
And assessments are a focus on how not to pay you unless you show how your affected there and then on the day. I didn't go in rolling round the floor pretending I was in agony I wasn't at that particular moment but I did later on
Probably best not to post any more on this thread pal
Don't bother commenting if you don't understand.
Ilovemywifesomuch01 simply you do not understand pal so best off staying out of this one and it would make me feel much better if you keep this as you last comment cause ain't interested in anything you have to say, oh and while we're on don't bother reading anymore for that matter save me the trouble of replying to any more of your negative comments
If someone is awaiting treatment or further intervention it can be difficult to accurately predict its level of success or whether it will even occur. Descriptor choices should therefore be based on the likely continuing impact of the health condition or impairment as if any treatment or further intervention has not occurred.