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New pip application

boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
edited August 2019 in PIP, DLA and AA
This is how I should have filled my last application for moving around criteria

What rate should I get 0 point or lower rate or higher.?
What do you think do you think my recent tribunal loss was incorrect?
Based on the new application details which should have been put in my 1St application.
Thanks for your time

How do you think this should impact universal credit lcw on moving around criteria as my problems don't change unlike the application process.
Citizens advice have told me that I'm not entitled after tribunal loss however I don't think they understand the gravity of this situation on my health.


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  • April2018momApril2018mom Posts: 2,869 Member
    To answer your question, I recommend getting advice. Use this link to type up a letter to appeal- https://www.advicenow.org.uk/pip-tool/thank-you
  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    edited August 2019
    Try again

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  • April2018momApril2018mom Posts: 2,869 Member
    Do you have a social worker or not? 
  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    Sorry this is my new application after tribunal denial
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Sorry, i'm confused, you mention LCW but this is a PIP2 form? PIP and LCW are different benefits with different criteria.

    I'd definitely advise you to get some face to face advice from an agency near you. No one on an internet forum can advise you on this because no one knows exactly how your conditions affect you.

    This link will help you find what's local to you. https://advicelocal.uk/

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  • cristobalcristobal Member Posts: 966 Disability Gamechanger
    @boriswho - your conditions seems to be very variable, and you would need to show what happens on the majority of days.

    Personally I wouldn't include phrases like  "sometimes pain is exacerbated" and "occasionally causes dizziness" because they don't apply to the majority of the time and they may be not taken into account by the assessor.

    Good luck anyway - you should be commended for keeping mobile (it's very difficult I know)
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    One thing to point out is you mention you walk less than 200 metres per day. Be careful how you word things because this could be seen as you have no problems walking this far. What maybe better is telling them how far you can walk without pain, discomfort, breathlessness or fatigue.
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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    @mikehughescq wow awesome, best advice i've seen in a very long time!
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  • cristobalcristobal Member Posts: 966 Disability Gamechanger
    @mikehughescq - I agree with poppy...it's a bit on the long side but good advice nevertheless...
  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    I did attend tribunal @mikehughescq I thought because I can walk into a tribunal that this was part of the reason for denial.

    When you say recent issues?? How recent last 12 months good enough?
     I have variations in severity the last major problem was with my lower back in january I attended hospital I drove there I walked to the a&e entrance about 200 meters took a long time.
    I saw someone they just wrote a script for 30mg codeine and sent me away.
    So I've continued this way since with pain relief at home stuck in the house all the time can't go out never got nowt to go anywhere or do anything. 

    Ive stopped doing do much since then don't want that pain back, but have had many mini scares with the knees that gives, I don't fall but I'm not far off.  I struggle to walk temporarily. I think it's the cartlidge getting caught in the joint as it has rips and tears and feels like it rips or tears everytime a knee cracks catches or gives I have to sit down this makes my long term issues with my back flare.
    I really do need to keep active but lack motivation and energy.

    These issues are most definitely exacerbated by the gives and catches with the knees & ankle forcing me to sit, my lower back issue is however another matter.

    My partner has witnessed my be haulted in my tracks many times by a knee or ankle issue I find the best option is to try to keep moving it will right itself hopefully....quickly.
    I usually carry on by using the shopping trolley or a pram as an aid I suppose until I get back to the car to return home to recover.

    As for the heel pain I don't stand long periods but from employment history in 2016/2017 this used to become apparent after being on my feet between 1 to 4 hours (estimated)without a break, now it's apparent when stood for 5/10 mins and get worse the longer I try to stay on my feet (was thinking about trying to stand at my assessment to show this but you can't see it)

    Citizens advice has tried to help with a written submission but I don't think they had the time to be thorough.

    I'm not so good at writing story's in this past tense view  especially about myself how can I possibly paint a picture for these people for them to understand or understand without this financial support they are in effect making my conditions worse...




  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,912 Disability Gamechanger
    cristobal said:
    @mikehughescq - I agree with poppy...it's a bit on the long side but good advice nevertheless...
    Blimey. What would you prefer? Brevity or an answer to the question? :)
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,912 Disability Gamechanger
    If you attended your tribunal but maintained that you can’t do more than 200m in total per day then that would play some part in the outcome as would what the clerk saw as you approached the waiting room and what the tribunal see when you enter and leave the room. Your behaviour in the room would also be an issue. I’ve lost count of the clients who have told me they can’t sit for more than a few minutes without needing to stand who then sit for an hour in a tribunal for example. The bigger issue will simply have been your evidence. Too vague and lacking in focus on what one actual walk looks like. I am none the wiser after your latest post for example. Lots of detail about pain in general but nothing about what one walk looks like and still contradictory. All the stuff you’ve put is about pain in general and would go at the end of your claim pack. None of it answers the specific issue of whether you can walk one of the statutory distances reliably. 

    You give an example of driving to hospital but that will have involved walking to/from a vehicle; to/from the entrance so that’s >200m straight away from your own description so again you have to address the contradictions in what you write else the outcome will be the same.  

    If if you’re no good at describing then get your partner or someone else who knows you to do so. I do appreciate that trying to get things like this down when in pain can be impossible so don’t do it yourself. Get someone else to do it and then you be the critic. Pick holes in it like you were a decision maker or get another person to do that too. 

    As regards what’s recent there’s no rule. However, it should be obvious that the longer ago an incident was the less relevant it will be. 

    You also need to put to one any arguments about variations. I’ve yet to meet anyone who doesn’t have a variable condition. It’s not an argument. Ditto getting them to understand the financial impact. Hard as it is, that’s an argument which will harm your claim every time. Focus on one walk. Two examples. 
  • cristobalcristobal Member Posts: 966 Disability Gamechanger
    cristobal said:
    @mikehughescq - I agree with poppy...it's a bit on the long side but good advice nevertheless...
    Blimey. What would you prefer? Brevity or an answer to the question? :)
    @mikehughescq +++ you didn't spot my tongue, concealed in cheek...
  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    Thanks I think the penny has dropped.
    How do I remove the above images of my paperwork.

    I've ordered a new form.

    I'm going to try to complete it over the next 3 weeks.

    I think I may need the link for a diary of symptoms., because I do have a tendency to forget because they're are so many.
    Thanks 

    Boristhebag lol 

  • cristobalcristobal Member Posts: 966 Disability Gamechanger
    edited July 2019
    @boriswho ..I'd recommend an A4 binder, print off the PIP descriptors and keep them in the front, and then a page for every day for a couple of weeks

    Don't write War and Peace - just notes like 'walked to end of garden 20yards,, fell over (why?), how you got up, how long you took, how long was it until you were able to walk again etc...

    Do this for all of the descriptors that you have difficulty with..

    When you apply, as I've said before, don't use vague phrases like 'sometimes', 'occasionally' - say what you mean, taking into account that the assessor needs to know about the majority of the time...

    Take your diary with you if you have a F2F...



  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    It's wor Boris he's gonna save the world ........
    Well maybe not maybe I can do a little better and give my son the upbringing he deserves than the one which he currently has.....not.

    I had the same motor as this chap boris Jonson not long ago it had curtains in lol I loved it hahahah Toyota lucida 2.5Ltr td how bad can your grammar be to sway a dm 

    I may well get the form right yet 3rd attempt on route feeling slightly positive.
    Hopefully I get a good DM and assessor for that matter.
    Or even better still no assessment.
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,912 Disability Gamechanger
    @poppy123456 thx. What tends to happen when I do this face to face is that either I do the claim pack or the claimant goes back; does it again and eventually gets there. What tends to happen online often looks very different. 

    I am grateful on this occasion Scope allowed the whole of my post. They have been refusing to publish some posts and have published others with whole chunks taken out with no indication to others that the post has been moderated in any way. 

    That means that on two recent occasions posters have been given wholly incorrect advice on this site by prominent others; my post hasn’t been allowed to fix that and moderators don’t know enough about the subject to comment but have done so anyway thus contributing to the wrong advice! 
  • Sam_AlumniSam_Alumni Scope alumni Posts: 7,731 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @mikehughescq
    Obviously I have been away from the community for a few weeks but I have caught up with the team on this issue. We do moderate some comments so they don't show on the community, this is when the post breaks our community guidelines.

    I am aware of one post of yours that was edited to remove certain things and have been told you are aware of this.

    If you have any issues with how we moderate the community, then please feel free to email on [email protected]

    Best wishes, Sam 
    Scope
    Senior online community officer
  • Sam_AlumniSam_Alumni Scope alumni Posts: 7,731 Disability Gamechanger
    boriswho said:
    Thanks I think the penny has dropped.
    How do I remove the above images of my paperwork.

    I've ordered a new form.

    I'm going to try to complete it over the next 3 weeks.

    I think I may need the link for a diary of symptoms., because I do have a tendency to forget because they're are so many.
    Thanks 

    Boristhebag lol 


    Hi @boriswho I have removed the images from your posts. 
    Scope
    Senior online community officer
  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    So I've been through one pip examination.
    Any advice for the second?
    Should I make sure they do full examination as oppose to the last half  a shambolic one sitting in a chair and the nurse making it up as she went along she was a pro benefit stopper assumption was her main prerogative(it was her idea to do a half a medical assessment because I was in "pain")

    I have either primary or secondary osteoarthritis in a few injured joints. It's variable, aches are the worst sometimes feels like I'm being tortured sometimes pain rises exponentially. I get tinnitus in the ears and feel dizzy from the meds and my neck cracking.
    snap crackle and pop syndrome I call it (I made this one up lol )
    across a range of joints including several or more weight bearing joints that crack under the pressure.

    Other times it's like oh my I'd like to forget that I'm so pleased is over.....but it's not it's there malignantly waiting for the next attempt to disable me completely.
    Other times it's like who just shot me in the leg or thumb etc?
    I don't know how to explain it
    I'm 40 
    I'm gonna do a diary I will have several daily instances.
    Do I rate these on a pain scale of a
    1 to 10
    1 being nothing and 10 being I'm going to pass out or  my head explode from the neck ache that grows into almost a ringing noise in the ears 

    Is there a diary online one I can download and print off?


  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    @mikehughescq @poppy123456
    Hi guys I've managed to write something I'm thinking of sending to the judge in regards to my 0 point tribunal.
    I want to argue my case a little late but....


    This is a story from last year's whilst awaiting my assessments I could probably trace a date with debit card transactions and my partner is my witness.

    As I did not complete my form correctly for my application for pip. Or attempt to argue any of my case @ tribunal.
    I would like to add the following to my tribunal case hearing late I understand but distress and confusion and pain issues has left me behind with any issues I have
    I would like the judge to take this into consideration regardless of how the tribunal panels perousal of me was perceived:

    Moving around criteria indoors:
    Moving around the home I have issues with knees & ankle giving catching or I stumble causing sharp stabbing like pains, in close proximity areas where lots of turning twisting pivoting are required to move around. Steps and stairs are another matter.
    These movements exacerbate knee & ankle instability luckily I have many things to grasp a hold of tables, chairs walls door handles etc.

    Moving around outdoors:
    I do not venture out much if I have no fuel for my car.
    I do not live close to anything the nearest bus stop is 700 meters away from my home or the nearest shop is aldi some 1100 meters away however this is down a woodland cut which is 300 meters away from my home and has at least 5x90degree turns and a gradient upwards of 15 meters. 
    Me and my partner go to adli.
    I get pain as I get up from seated(in my knees and ankles position but don't feel too bad today, on the 1st part of the journey I have to stop as my knees catch and felt like they were are about to buckle mainly on the corners  turning or if I stumble I have a brief moment at a standstill on the 1st corner from my home (which is approximately 20 meters from my front door)my partner is a few meters ahead now I ask her to wait for me and  we continue upwards towards the woodland cut, my knees have gave sharp snapping sounds the left knee feels like it catches at almost every step we walk slowly to try to reduce these unstable feelings and sharp pains.  once at the top of the cut then it's then a fairly straight run downwards with a decline total of 15 meters with most of that drop being in the 1St 3rd of the woodland path which is an uneven gravel pathway.
    Add in my knee pain and ankle pains this walk is too much for me I feel but push on as I've been instructed to keep active from my msk consultant. During the 1st part of the decent I stumble and feel a sharp pain in my right knee  it's got caught or something. It felt like it was giving I have not fell but it has been enough to stop me in my tracks it's a good job my partner is there with my son in his pram I grasp a hold of the pram again and rest for a moment. I have to use the buggy to continue the rest of the journey this helps me to continue we stop a couple more times due to the discomfort felt in my knees and ankle.
    Once arrived at aldi I feel exhausted I'm sweating profusely, but we need some shopping for our tea so I must keep pushing myself. It had taken us approximately 25/30 minutes to arrive at aldi this is a good day as far as I'm concerned an average day would probably taken 30/40 minutes and a bad day I would not be able.
    After completion I'm left to recover for a couple of days and for several days after I'm very tender in the afore mentioned joints. 
    This has activity make me ache very badly later on in the evening preventing getting to sleep so easy leaving very tired.
    I now have two bad days where I'm left to sit long periods this in turn has exacerbated my lower back and neck pain I'm very stiff and have limited range of movement grating and cracking of the neck with a deep ache and sharp pain across my lower back and require physio to aid recovery of these areas this isn't spontaneous it takes time medication physio therapy heat treatments don't ask me how long as just I don't know, I just know I've been like this since I fell off a ladder at work and it got worse within 12 months and has stayed in this cycle since moving around Activity's cause these exacerbating symptoms of osteoarthritis.


    Let me know what you think I think this should cover many criteria's....?

  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    Also I think this one's good for new application for pip I cannot wait any longer for another higher tier tribunal for cash I need money now not in 6 months time or 12 months my partner has had to take on a part time job because we have been so desperate for cash for food etc. This has left me at home with our 3 year old who I just can't manage with the above issues .
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Moving around activity doesn't consider inside. It's outside on a level surface. Uneven surfaces and hills are not considered.

    You seem to be concentrating on the mobility part alone. What about the daily living activities? There's 10 of them.
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  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    I think getting one down will give me the opportunity to discuss the others if I can get higher tier tribunal

    I do have these issues on level ground also and could tell of a few more instances

    There are gradients steps in road,path surfaces everywhere we go as well as the need to turn??:

  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    Fair enough if I had say osteoarthritis in one side of the knee like the right knee in the lateral compartment then like I could just turn left all day and ease pressure on that side of the knee
  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    These people at tribunals make assumptions too I had one argue with me about how far into one particular hospital the msk clinic appointment were held she was arguing from where she probably parked her car I argued that I didn't park as far away  maybe it's a miss judgement on distance on either part, but I would argue that I used to calculate distances by eye or by steps for cable runs being an electrical installer 
  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    Also I probably only really feel the mobility one is a particular descriptor I feel I fits me most of the time? Understandably there are other descriptors I probably would fit but are not as much I do mobility 

  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    Correct me if I'm wrong in thinking I'm entitled to anything this is just off what I've read maybe I'm entitled to nothing and am fit for work as stated by a nurse from a lcw assessment?
  • cristobalcristobal Member Posts: 966 Disability Gamechanger
    @boriswho - if I have read you example correctly you say that you walked to Aldi  down a woodland path with a gradient and sharp turns. It's 2200 metres there and back (if you did walk back, you don't say?)

    Since 'mobility' is about whether you can walk reliably up to 200metres I wonder whether it's good idea giving an example of such a long walk?

    You have obvious difficulties - the length of time it takes, having to stop, using the pram etc. and these should be taken into account but perhaps an assessor might conclude that if you are able to walk that far then you should be able to manage a shorter distance (you said that you walked 20 metres without stopping )

    That's just how it reads to me - can I say again that it's really good that you continue to be mobile despite your difficulties.
  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    Yeah roughly around 15/20 meters I will measure it in steps later.
    These issues came about after. Work accident 
    The back problems I've had many years and the neck pain from whiplash at work too lol not having much luck with work never had have had to quit jobs many times because of back issues.
    Just had an mri for lower back. Awaiting further results
    Thanks for your support @cristobal
  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    Also I did walk back in alot of pain I had to use pushchair all the way back because increased pain with many stops on the way back also pretty much like the journey there both on the flat surfaces and not so flat.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    @mikehughescq did previously advise that stating you could walk the 200 metres in the first place will have gone against you.

    Even though you think that you qualify for the mobility part you will be assessed for both parts because you can't just apply for one part.

    I also agree here that saying you can actually walk that whole distance to Aldi and back, even though it takes time could infact ago against you, again. I still think that you're not quite understanding it properly.

    PIP isn't about being fit for work, people claim PIP and work.

    May i ask if you're getting some help with this? Having recently had a Tribunal decision which didn't award you then you could be refused again, if you go the same route, using the same evidence you previously used.
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  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    I agree with the overall distance and that it would probably go against, the judge was trying to establish what I was like when I 1St applied in July 2018 I tried my best to recall this info but nothing like what I've just stated was mentioned by me, as a result of what happened this forced me to give up on walking that distance any further because of the detrimental affect it had I have simply just tried to explain it in detail as an instance as to what happens and the reasons why I applied because of the affects walking has on me trying to show A walk that can be visualized.
    This is what it is like when I do such a distance like that and still happens and has happened with shorter distances.

    I've tried my best not to manipulate any off the evidence like alot of people say to do because of a web of lies would be requires to complete something like this and I'm not very good at it.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Your reasons are based on walking on walking up and down hills, which isn't part of the criteria. The moving around part is walking on level ground.

    Are you receiving any face to face advice and help with this claim? I previously asked this but you didn't give a reply.
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  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    Sorry yes poppy citizens advice can in 1 month before tribunal edited a submission without reading I think then said they probably wouldn't support a upper tier tribunal after saying that the judge will not have made an error in law it very rarely happens apparently.
    I think it's more than likely unsopportive gp/consultants and my evidence given from my self which I've made numerous errors with submitting incorrect submission from myself where I sent my own personal written submission for uc lcw by accident for my pip tribunal.
  • April2018momApril2018mom Posts: 2,869 Member
    boriswho said:
    Sorry yes poppy citizens advice can in 1 month before tribunal edited a submission without reading I think then said they probably wouldn't support a upper tier tribunal after saying that the judge will not have made an error in law it very rarely happens apparently.
    I think it's more than likely unsopportive gp/consultants and my evidence given from my self which I've made numerous errors with submitting incorrect submission from myself where I sent my own personal written submission for uc lcw by accident for my pip tribunal.
    Do you have a social worker? 
  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    In that particular written instance it does have flat paths with slight gradients 15 meters up over 300 meters is very slight something like 36degrees rise so is little I was simply just detailing the walk.
    The is a part where it is quite steep but it does have many parts which are flat surfaces 
  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    Sorry now I don't no @April2018mom and I wasn't ignoring you I thought I had replied earlier, I had tried to but the post didn't go on this xx
  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    A social life worker no I don't have one 
  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    My phone is making words up on my post lol
  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    I have someone coming from the council on Tuesday to recommend if I can get a double Bannister if that's one
  • April2018momApril2018mom Posts: 2,869 Member
    boriswho said:
    My phone is making words up on my post lol
    No worries!
    This is a useful booklet. I found it helped when filling out the form when my son was a infant two years ago. He was eight months old then.  https://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/sites/default/files/pdf/PIPGuidetoclaiming24october%202018.pdf
    Scroll down to Appendix C- page 35. Read them all carefully and then select the one which applied to you. Good luck! Keep us updated. 
  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    Would me submitting the wrong submission by mistake due to confusion and entered the "tribunal" with no bullets for my gun, I think I thought what I had written would have been read there was no firm direction from me or citizens advice as to which parts I should have been directing the tribunal to within my limited and incorrectly sent  submission the paperwork had page numbers duplicates etc and was mixed up there was alot of confusion with paperworks mixed up numbering 
    I give no evidence as to her far I could walk as @mikehughescq said about my new application .


  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    Although there were small bits of evidence that if pointed out would have brought about different questions from the tribunal panel I think
  • April2018momApril2018mom Posts: 2,869 Member
  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    I've already done mr for pip and had tribunal I want to fight it because I feel I should be entitled to some sort of payment and want to uncover an error with the tribunal just I don't understand what an error would even look like.

    I'm currently doing a new application for pip with a little more knowledge the process 

    I'm waiting for a tribunal for uc lcw after another assessment benefit blocker from maximus they're trying very hard to meet they're targets 

    I have had a iidb tribunal and the decision was set aside after new evidence came to light after a tribunal which I just emailed in and this set the decision aside-----I'm wondering if I can get something written up which would force the judge to have to set the decision aside and I get a chance to load my gun and go in all gins blazing to another tribunal.

    I'm left at home with my three year old son, because my partner has had to take a part time job I'm very worried about my sons safety in regards to my condition possibly affecting him when something happens or I get stuck or something I havnt taught him how to dial 999 yet not that I've needed too call for an ambulance before except for gallstones pain but if he runs on a road or something how am I supposed to get him.
    It's an injustice I feel saddened that I'm unable to work atm because of injury sustained at work....





  • April2018momApril2018mom Posts: 2,869 Member
    boriswho said:
    I've already done mr for pip and had tribunal I want to fight it because I feel I should be entitled to some sort of payment and want to uncover an error with the tribunal just I don't understand what an error would even look like.

    I'm currently doing a new application for pip with a little more knowledge the process 

    I'm waiting for a tribunal for uc lcw after another assessment benefit blocker from maximus they're trying very hard to meet they're targets 

    I have had a iidb tribunal and the decision was set aside after new evidence came to light after a tribunal which I just emailed in and this set the decision aside-----I'm wondering if I can get something written up which would force the judge to have to set the decision aside and I get a chance to load my gun and go in all gins blazing to another tribunal.

    I'm left at home with my three year old son, because my partner has had to take a part time job I'm very worried about my sons safety in regards to my condition possibly affecting him when something happens or I get stuck or something I havnt taught him how to dial 999 yet not that I've needed too call for an ambulance before except for gallstones pain but if he runs on a road or something how am I supposed to get him.
    It's an injustice I feel saddened that I'm unable to work atm because of injury sustained at work....





    Can you find childcare or not? 
  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    He does attend nursery 
    But it's the holidays ATM me and him are just cooked up in the house most of the time unless the weathers nice and we can got the park for a short while.
  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    Do you have link for a diary where I can record symtoms for my new pip application
    @April2018mom
  • April2018momApril2018mom Posts: 2,869 Member
    boriswho said:
    He does attend nursery 
    But it's the holidays ATM me and him are just cooked up in the house most of the time unless the weathers nice and we can got the park for a short while.
    Since you are at a loss for days out- https://www.mumsnet.com/things-to-do/local/cheap-family-days-out-uk
    For fun activities- https://www.familylives.org.uk/advice/your-family/holidays/how-to-entertain-your-children-in-the-holidays/

  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
  • April2018momApril2018mom Posts: 2,869 Member
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    For the Tribunal decision where you were refused PIP, you won't be able to appeal that decision unless an error in law is found. For this you need to request the statement of reasons and record of proceedings.

    For the new PIP claim, i still think you're going about this the wrong way and you should get expert advice. An internet forum isn't the place for this because no one knows how your conditions affect you.

    I don't have any further advice for you but i'll wish you good luck.


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  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    And I made an errors in the post about the Aldi trip the gradient initially to the top of the woodland cut which is 300 meters from my home is only a 5 meter gradient upward over 300 meters with several 90° turns the it's downwards 800 meters with approximately the 1St 1/4 of that being the steepest and at the point of where my knee stopped me moving was the 1St corner from my house is only about 20 to 25 steps from my house not like big 1 meter steps shorter stride steps probably 1/2 ~meter at a time so I would think it's shorter like more like 12 to 15 meters ~
  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    Thanks anyway @poppy123456 please can you not at least enlighten me to one tribunal or case which has erred in relation issues either similar to mine which is I suffered a work injury that has either started or led to tricomoartmental knee osteoarthritis pains, an undiagnosed fractured ankle talus until some 17 months after my fall, instability and aggravation of a long standing back pain issues due to not being able to weight bear at certain times 
    And an aggravated whiplash injury which leaves me with permanent neck pain which only came about due to the stress and agonising tortuous examination procedure regarding getting financial help whilst being unable to work and. Doctors and gp and consultants who think your only trying to bump up a personal injury claim who should I attack 1st which one do I have to fight them all? Or should I go for the lacklustre citizens advice ?
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    edited August 2019

    Please note, gradients aren't considered with the moving around part.

    The following was taken from this link. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/personal-independence-payment-assessment-guide-for-assessment-providers/pip-assessment-guide-part-2-the-assessment-criteria#mobility-activitie


    This activity considers a claimant’s physical ability to move around without severe discomfort, such as breathlessness, pain or fatigue. This includes the ability to stand and then move up to 20 metres, up to 50 metres, up to 200 metres and over 200 metres.

    If an individual cannot reliably complete an activity in the way described in a descriptor then they should be considered unable to complete it at that level and an alternative descriptor selected.

    Notes

    This activity should be judged in relation to a type of surface normally expected out of doors, such as pavements on the flat and includes the consideration of kerbs.




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  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    regardless of inclines/declines pain is caused on all sourfaces
  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    edited August 2019
    @poppy123456
    Does this look OK for Q2b its rough should I add anymore.

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    I never put any of this in my previous claim
  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    Should I put about constipated and spending long periods sitting on the loo
  • buzzerbuzzer Member Posts: 107 Pioneering
    boriswho said:
    I have someone coming from the council on Tuesday to recommend if I can get a double Bannister if that's one
    That would be an occupational therapist, and yes a report from them showing your functional ability would be helpful 

    Try & be kind to one another even if we may have different views. 

  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Managing toilet needs. This activity considers a claimant’s ability to get on and off the toilet, to manage evacuation of the bladder and/or bowel and to clean afterwards. Long periods spent on the toilet aren't considered for this activity and neither is your ability to climb the stairs or mobilise to the toilet.


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  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    Thanks guys 
    I'm making progress 
    My radiators have came off the wall many times when using them to push off the toilet. My sink is loose on the wall in my downstairs toilet through being used as push me up 
    Luckily I have a toilet downstairs


  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    edited August 2019
    So here's the start of additional info hopefully you can read it's a rough version I'm hoping to type up in case my assessor can't read

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  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    Managing toilet needs. This activity considers a claimant’s ability to get on and off the toilet, to manage evacuation of the bladder and/or bowel and to clean afterwards. Long periods spent on the toilet aren't considered for this activity and neither is your ability to climb the stairs or mobilise to the toilet.


    Does this include raising and lowering pants during more severe episode which aren't often enough in my case I think now that I've got some sort of self management of more severe episodes last one was january this year. I'm having alot less now I've reduced my Activity's to these unhealthy levels
  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    I really need my partner here now as looking after my son now that she's started working my activity levels are rising looking after him hopefully I don't have any setbacks
  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    boriswho said:
    Managing toilet needs. This activity considers a claimant’s ability to get on and off the toilet, to manage evacuation of the bladder and/or bowel and to clean afterwards. Long periods spent on the toilet aren't considered for this activity and neither is your ability to climb the stairs or mobilise to the toilet.


    Does this include raising and lowering pants during more severe episode which aren't often enough in my case I think now that I've got some sort of self management of more severe episodes last one was january this year. I'm having alot less now I've reduced my Activity's to these unhealthy levels
    I mean for like I'm experiencing limited range of motion with my lower back due to sever pain
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Managing toilet needs is your ability to get on and off the toilet and clean yourself afterwards. Removing/lowering clothes isn't included in the activity.

    Moving around. You're still referring to less than 200 metres per day, i'm not sure why you keep wanting to refer to this as a per day thing. Doing this will surely see you being refused mobility part, as you were previously advised about this in another comment.
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  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    Managing toilet needs is your ability to get on and off the toilet and clean yourself afterwards. Removing/lowering clothes isn't included in the activity.

    Moving around. You're still referring to less than 200 metres per day, i'm not sure why you keep wanting to refer to this as a per day thing. Doing this will surely see you being refused mobility part, as you were previously advised about this in another comment.

  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    I would have another read of Mike's advice above.

    What you've written here is too inconsistent because first you're saying a few hours, then a couple of days, then 2-4 days. What exactly does that mean? You're concentrating on your pain but you're not telling them why you can't complete that activity. There's too many contradictions in what you've written.

    You're telling them you limit the amount you walk each day but can manage 200 metres a day.... this will score 0 points.

    You mention side effects of medication and tell them to see main leaflet. They won't read a leaflet because it's not evidence. The side effects of medication varies between person to person. It doesn't mean you'll experience all the side effects. Some can take low dosage medication without any side effects at all.
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  • cristobalcristobal Member Posts: 966 Disability Gamechanger
    edited August 2019
    @boriswho ..I tend to agree with Poppy - from what you've written it does look like you score 0 points for mobility.

     We seem to have gone round in a bit of a circle, but if you look back at some of the early pieces of advice you'll see why....you need specific examples - 200m on an average day doesn't help.

    Can I suggest you might have a look at some of the other descriptors and see if you might score points elsewhere before you send your form in?
  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member

    Thanks for your input, I do personally feel I should have won at least low rate 
    I will try to Analise a little more before finalising 
    Precision is key I'd of though cover all angles etc..
     I'm going to review it all over the next week or so till the pack comes I suppose like everyone says just be honest & open and tell it as it is. I suppose when I do my 2 week diary this should give a better perspective also.
    And use words with more certainty in them instead of vague open ended answers that can be interpreted in many fashions.
    I'll test myself with 20 meters 50 meters and 200 and record the outcome.
    I'll check distances on foot in regards to hospital visits etc leave no room for error to confirm in my mind as well.
    Also recording input one liners as to what's happening or happened
    And  when issues are exacerbated and why I think it was.
    Should I record milder symptoms on the daily diary.


    Could someone remove my images posted thanks

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  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    cristobal said:
    @boriswho ..I tend to agree with Poppy - from what you've written it does look like you score 0 points for mobility.

     We seem to have gone round in a bit of a circle, but if you look back at some of the early pieces of advice you'll see why....you need specific examples - 200m on an average day doesn't help.

    Can I suggest you might have a look at some of the other descriptors and see if you might score points elsewhere before you send your form in?
    I have I'm just not posting on here, I think I've got it .
    I did seem to drift back into the my old  way of describing my issues and as mike said he appreciates trying to describe something and how it affects you is difficult I've wrote and wrote and wrote and when I look at it it's just always the same me focusing on the pain not really how it actually affects me and describing in detail the proves to be further more difficult.

    I got my partner to write something for me and looked at it, it was very similar to what I wrote except she wrote "I fell to the floor" I thought this was an exaggeration because I never actually hit the floor but I suppose if when this happened that my other leg done the same I would have and had the trolley in asda had not of been in front of me also to grasp a hold of I would have fell too the floor.
    Anyhow I press on I've removed slot if what I've been writing and am trying to stick to the facts.
    I will post back if I have any further questions 
    Thanks all for your input..
    Hopefully our new prime minster Boris will do better in his application to our country's issues than I have done in my application for state benefit.....
  • Ilovemywifesomuch01Ilovemywifesomuch01 Member Posts: 32 Courageous
    Hello Boriswho iv read all of the comments here I'm going to give you an example which is my wife. She has schizophrenia she doesn't respond well to medication it wasnt always like this she was on a medication called olanzipine it worked well for her years ago but due to side effects like she became pre diabetic, had high blood pressure and gained over 5 stone again side effects. Since then she has been on ariprozole she was ill for 2 years then rispiridone she was ill for 4 and half years now she's on amisulpride and its like she's taking nothing she's permenatly ill I feel as her husband I'm not giving up hope in something working. Now going back to the pip form my wife can't cook a meal as she forgets and has nearly caused a fire, she can't prepare a meal as she can't use sharp knives as she attempts to self harm now iv just made clear to you one of the questions in the pip form iv explained in the form what activities she can't do and why. You seem to be focused on one day out that you had nothing is consistent all you have to do is tell the truth in the form. Poppy has continuously explained I'm struggling to understand why your answers in the form are not adding up you must be able to see what struggles you have on a daily basis as you are struggling. It seems you want people on this forum to fill the form out for you they can't do that because they are not you and if you don't know what struggles you have know one does.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    @Ilovemywifesomuch01Thanks!  great reply and so true. Problem with PIP is you can't make those descriptors fit you and that's what's happening here. Good luck with your wife's claim!
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  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    That true to some effect, I don't seem to fit any descriptor except for:
    Reliably - my knees give out I get very tired now also.
    Repeatedly - after the 2200 meter trek afterwards I wasn't able to walk 20 meters without severe pain.
    This is not the 1St time it's happened it happened also walking literally 20 meters from the car I almost had to hop back and had become unable to weight bear at all right leg ankle.
    Which I dont see most of you don't call upon as a descriptor as that I maybe do fit

  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    Repeatedly - after the 2200 meter trek afterwards I wasn't able to walk 20 meters without severe pain.
    For 1 week 
  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    To me when a give happens it is a further injury 
  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    They duration of these are very much dependable on the severity of the inury
  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    So now we need to establish how often
  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    I will tell you that it is every walk 
  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    Either aching like crazy
  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    Or with the injury it's difficult to weight bear for a period
  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    If they're had of been 400 meters it would have the same outcome if there was a give in the twisting knee or a stumble jarring this seems to have an affect inside the knee possibly the tears in the meniscus or new tears with degenerative cartridge it has been weakened and I need time to do physio, etc etc recovery time 1 year ? 6 months who knows I've been like this for over 21 months now already and have lost track of the days it's just one big blur.....
  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    It is the further injury which on-the-go cause my further restricted walking. Do I need knee straps?
  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    Sorry typo errors all over it's a wonder any of you can make head nor tail 
  • Ilovemywifesomuch01Ilovemywifesomuch01 Member Posts: 32 Courageous
    You had a tribunal I'm going to be honest from what you have said your not going to score points for daily living and mobility on the grounds that your knees give way on a journey to aldi forget the 200 meters bit and the degrees of a hill. You have been to hospital once and they gave you pain relief this isn't classed as evidence. As I say just tell the truth if the truth is your exageratting what's wrong they will know and this will lead to no award. I'm sorry to be harsh but I can only tell you the best way to fill in a pip form and honesty really is the best way.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    boriswho said:
    Repeatedly - after the 2200 meter trek afterwards I wasn't able to walk 20 meters without severe pain.
    For 1 week 
    But you had already walked 2200 metres.........
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  • Ilovemywifesomuch01Ilovemywifesomuch01 Member Posts: 32 Courageous
    Hello poppy thank you for the reply. As you know you can only be honest with these forms exaggerating or adding things to meet the criteria isn't how you fill out a form I'm a little annoyed as this site is here to help people who really need advice and I may be wrong and I hope I am but to me none of this makes any sense because this person seems to be trying to fill out a form around the criteria for the benefit rather than this is what I struggle with and this this is what I can do and what I can't do. My wife is miserable and is lost and its infuriating that people feel the system is there to help them because they have an allergy to garlic ( which iv seen on a forum here) or because there wives have gone to work and they get the enjoyment of their child. . I give up with this one.
  • Ilovemywifesomuch01Ilovemywifesomuch01 Member Posts: 32 Courageous
    Exactly there was one thread where someone had a broken wrist and an allergy to garlic I didn't even bother replying and the people who suffer when some people put in exaggerated claims are the genuine people who really are suffering and then everyone wonders why now its so hard to get financial support when people genuinely need it. I'm sorry it annoys me. Its the genuine people I really feel for.
  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    Hello poppy thank you for the reply. As you know you can only be honest with these forms exaggerating or adding things to meet the criteria isn't how you fill out a form I'm a little annoyed as this site is here to help people who really need advice and I may be wrong and I hope I am but to me none of this makes any sense because this person seems to be trying to fill out a form around the criteria for the benefit rather than this is what I struggle with and this this is what I can do and what I can't do. My wife is miserable and is lost and its infuriating that people feel the system is there to help them because they have an allergy to garlic ( which iv seen on a forum here) or because there wives have gone to work and they get the enjoyment of their child. . I give up with this one.
    Have you ever torn a meniscus ? Or both of them?
    Have you experienced osteoarthritis of the knee?
    What about severe back pain that stops you in your tracks Well I do suffer from these.
    I've had sever back issues for 20 years and never asked for nothing from the state, I've keeped on working on and off have done
    until you add in the knees problems.
    Alongside an undiagnosed ankle fracture for 2 years,  my fault I understand...not at all I attended a&e had an X-ray they didn't see it apparently it's a tough one to see....
    The system I flawed with inconsistent information for claimants.
    And assessments are a focus on how not to pay you unless you show how your affected there and then on the day. I didn't go in rolling round the floor pretending I was in agony I wasn't at that particular moment but I did later on 
    Probably best not to post any more on this thread pal
  • Ilovemywifesomuch01Ilovemywifesomuch01 Member Posts: 32 Courageous
    You have walked 2200 meters then say you can't walk 200 meters you want people to fill the form out for you you are continuously asking the same questions this is simple  you have these health problems your doctor should give you evidence to pip supporting this the only evidence you have mentioned is a trip to a and e your in agony after walking 200 meters but then can walk 2200 meters don't worry mate iv got nothing more to say.
  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    boriswho said:
    Repeatedly - after the 2200 meter trek afterwards I wasn't able to walk 20 meters without severe pain.
    For 1 week 
    But you had already walked 2200 metres.........
    I did so with the use of an aid for over 2/3rds of this and this was the last long walk I done for a long while, I stick to shorter distances it safe that way.

  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Unfortunately, you can't make those descriptors fit you, doesn't matter how much you try. You can have a disability but not qualify for PIP, if you don't score those points there's no award.
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  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    I don't appreciate people suggesting I'm faking it
    Don't bother commenting if you don't understand.
    Ilovemywifesomuch01 simply you do not understand pal so best off staying out of this one  and it would make me feel much better if you keep this as you last comment cause ain't interested in anything you have to say, oh and while we're on don't bother reading anymore for that matter save me the trouble of replying to any more of your negative comments 
    You have walked 2200 meters then say you can't walk 200 meters you want people to fill the form out for you you are continuously asking the same questions this is simple  you have these health problems your doctor should give you evidence to pip supporting this the only evidence you have mentioned is a trip to a and e your in agony after walking 200 meters but then can walk 2200 meters don't worry mate iv got nothing more to say.

  • Ilovemywifesomuch01Ilovemywifesomuch01 Member Posts: 32 Courageous
    This isnt that hard you are reapplying for pip you wont have a hope in hell with out evidence your from professionals involved in your care they won't just take your word for it I'm so confused by your threads I just can't make any sense of it . I'm sorry I was rude had a long day with the Mrs mental health won't change hrrher meds. Sorry mate.
  • boriswhoboriswho Posts: 153 Member
    Awaiting treatment
    If someone is awaiting treatment or further intervention it can be difficult to accurately predict its level of success or whether it will even occur. Descriptor choices should therefore be based on the likely continuing impact of the health condition or impairment as if any treatment or further intervention has not occurred.

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