Question regarding PIP Application

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  • calcotti
    calcotti Community member Posts: 10,005 Championing
    Wibbles said:
    calcotti said:
    I amended my reply slightly because it seemed to me, reading the guidance, that the gap from decision to first PIP payment could be greater than 7 weeks (there will be a DLA payment in between).
    Could you please give me the link where it mentions 7 weeks?
    I can't see it on your original link
    That's because, as I say, I edited my reply and I took the reference to 7 weeks out. There is no reference to 7 weeks in the guidance which is why, as I read it, the gap between decision and first PIP payment could be greater than 7 weeks. 
  • Wibbles
    Wibbles Community member Posts: 2,083 Trailblazing
    calcotti said:
    Wibbles said:
    calcotti said:
    I amended my reply slightly because it seemed to me, reading the guidance, that the gap from decision to first PIP payment could be greater than 7 weeks (there will be a DLA payment in between).
    Could you please give me the link where it mentions 7 weeks?
    I can't see it on your original link
    That's because, as I say, I edited my reply and I took the reference to 7 weeks out. There is no reference to 7 weeks in the guidance which is why, as I read it, the gap between decision and first PIP payment could be greater than 7 weeks. 
    So it could be less as well 
    You are just guessing 
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 59,824 Championing
    It's not less than 7 weeks based on many other members here. As advised, you will get a final DLA payment once the PIP desision is made. If successfully awarded your first PIP payment will be about 4 weeks after the final DLA payment.
    We are trying to help you but every time we hit a brick wall and start going round in circles.
  • Wibbles
    Wibbles Community member Posts: 2,083 Trailblazing
    I now have my KAFO full leg brace (After waiting almost 6 years for one) - it does help me to walk on the flat (it has a fixed ankle joint, so no stairs) - it also rubs on my thigh and shin
    Should I update DWP to let them know ?
    My GP is not yet aware and I didn't put Orthotics contact details down on my PIP application form.
    I should receive 12 points mobility in any case - since I am unable to walk 20 metres without the KAFO - even with the help of someone else.
    The rule says "Individuals who cannot stand and move 20 metres, in a safe and reliable way, will receive 12 points and therefore the enhanced rate of the mobility component regardless of whether they need an aid or appliance"

  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 59,824 Championing
    edited April 2022
    No, you do not need to update PIP. You simply tell them during the assessment because most have them. If we all rang DWP everytime a changed happened like this then the backlogs would be even longer than they already are.
    As for the mobility, haven't we been here before? Stairs/steps are not considered with mobility.
  • Wibbles
    Wibbles Community member Posts: 2,083 Trailblazing
    edited April 2022
    Thanks - the important part is that I should receive 12 points mobility in any case - since I am unable to walk 20 metres without the KAFO - even with the help of someone else.
    The rule says "Individuals who cannot stand and move 20 metres, in a safe and reliable way, will receive 12 points and therefore the enhanced rate of the mobility component regardless of whether they need an aid or appliance"
    Before you say "it depends on the assessor"
    NO IT DOESN'T - Rules are not made to be broken

  • calcotti
    calcotti Community member Posts: 10,005 Championing
    Wibbles said:
    The rule says "Individuals who cannot stand and move 20 metres, in a safe and reliable way, will receive 12 points and therefore the enhanced rate of the mobility component regardless of whether they need an aid or appliance"
    Where are you quoting from? That's not what the descriptor says
    https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2013/377/schedule/1
    descriptor e says
    "Can stand and then move more than 1 metre but no more than 20 metres, either aided or unaided."

    I seem to recall this has been discussed at length before. 
  • Cartini
    Cartini Community member Posts: 1,107 Trailblazing
    To all those offering advice (Poppy123455 etc),  you have the patience of angels :)
  • Wibbles
    Wibbles Community member Posts: 2,083 Trailblazing
    or
    or
    From the form itself


  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 59,824 Championing
    What is says in both those link is exactly this..
    calcotti said:
    Wibbles said:
    The rule says "Individuals who cannot stand and move 20 metres, in a safe and reliable way, will receive 12 points and therefore the enhanced rate of the mobility component regardless of whether they need an aid or appliance"

    "Can stand and then move more than 1 metre but no more than 20 metres, either aided or unaided."

  • Wibbles
    Wibbles Community member Posts: 2,083 Trailblazing
    edited April 2022
    Have you actually seen the form? 
    What does it say on that? 
  • calcotti
    calcotti Community member Posts: 10,005 Championing
    Wibbles said:
    or
    or
    From the form itself
    Can't see the words you put in quote marks in any of those locations.
    However, I recall this was discussed at length in a previous thread and there was still a difference of opinion at the end of that. It seems exceedingly unlikely that further discussion will produce a different result. Good luck with your claim.
  • Wibbles
    Wibbles Community member Posts: 2,083 Trailblazing
    calcotti said:
    Wibbles said:
    or
    or
    From the form itself
    Can't see the words you put in quote marks in any of those locations.
    However, I recall this was discussed at length in a previous thread and there was still a difference of opinion at the end of that. It seems exceedingly unlikely that further discussion will produce a different result. Good luck with your claim.
    Thanks I don't need "luck" - I just need someone who understands DWP rules and follows them.. 
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 59,824 Championing
    Again we are going round in circles, exactly like we were when you last talked about this activity.
  • Wibbles
    Wibbles Community member Posts: 2,083 Trailblazing
    poppy123456 said:
    Again we are going round in circles, exactly like we were when you last talked about this activity.

    Yes and you failed to understand what I was saying
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 59,824 Championing
    I understood you perfectly thanks. Your understanding of this descriptor is incorrect.
  • vikingqueen
    vikingqueen Scope Member Posts: 1,606 Championing
        And breathe Poppy  :/
  • Tori_Scope
    Tori_Scope Scope Posts: 12,443 Championing
    Yes and you failed to understand what I was saying
    Hi @Wibbles :) Would you be able to explain to us what you don't feel as though we're understanding? That may help us to clear up any misunderstandings there might still be. 
  • calcotti
    calcotti Community member Posts: 10,005 Championing
    Tori_Scope said:
    Yes and you failed to understand what I was saying
    Hi @Wibbles :) Would you be able to explain to us what you don't feel as though we're understanding? That may help us to clear up any misunderstandings there might still be. 
    It was a (very long) previous thread about how to interpret the PIP descriptor on Moving Around. There is nothing to be gained, in my opinion, by going through it all again.
  • Wibbles
    Wibbles Community member Posts: 2,083 Trailblazing
    edited April 2022

    From PIP Handbook (from DWP's own hand)



    And from the application form itself


    "If you use a wheelchair or mobility scooter, "Please answer the question by telling us how far you can stand and move WITHOUT using it"

    I cant even stand and move 20 metres
    So thats definitely 12 points on mobility




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