Question regarding PIP Application
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Interesting PIP facts
For new claims:
- in October 2021, just over three quarters (76%) of claims awarded were short term (0 to 2 years), less than one in ten (7%) were longer term (over 2 years) and just under one in ten (9%) were ongoing
For DLA reassessment claims:
- in October 2021, short term 0 to 2 year awards were the most common award type (nearly half - 48% - of all claims awarded) followed by longer term claims over 2 years (27%) and ongoing awards (22%)
by ongoing - they mean 10 years/"light touch" !So DLA reassessments result in much longer awards for claimantsSimilarly :Latest figures for normal rules claims show:
- 41% of all new claim clearances (excluding withdrawn) and 48% of those who were assessed received an award in October 2021
- 64% of all DLA reassessment clearances (excluding withdrawn) and 69% of those who were assessed received an award in October 2021
Between April 2013, when PIP began, and October 2021, 6.2 million claims have been registered for PIP, and 5.9 million of the registered claims have been cleared. Thats an incredible number of "sick" people..For working age claimants, 75% of those who registered received an award, and 460,000 (29%) of the cases registered were awarded PIP at the highest rate (enhanced daily living and enhanced mobility components)
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75% of claimants received an award and 29% received maximum mobility and care in 2021ChrisH90 said:
You will be lucky to get anything at all, The majority of people on here get refused, Then it's the whole process of sending a Mandatory Reconsideration, If that's refused it's a Tribunal, I received 0 points from the Assessor, Currently waiting for a Reconsideration, Been waiting over 2 months now.Wibbles said:Also looking to the worse case again
If I am not offered high rates on both mobility and care components - could you please confirm the complaints procedure?
Starting with the form to check on the assessment......to discover what the assessor actually wrote...
I really hope that this is not necessarily but prewarned is prearmed0 -
Although your underlying point is well made I don't recognise those figures.Wibbles said: 75% of claimants received an award and 29% received maximum mobility and care in 2021
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/personal-independence-payment-statistics-to-october-2021/personal-independence-payment-official-statistics-to-october-2021#clearance-outcomes--awardsAward rates for all claims (excluding withdrawn cases) between April 2013 and October 2021 show that:- 42% receive an award for normal rules new claims
- 71% receive an award for normal rules DLA reassessment claims
- 99% of SRTI claimants are awarded PIP
- 41% of all new claim clearances (excluding withdrawn) and 48% of those who were assessed received an award in October 2021
- 64% of all DLA reassessment clearances (excluding withdrawn) and 69% of those who were assessed received an award in October 2021
- nearly one quarter (23%) received daily living award only, 3% received mobility award only, and nearly three quarters (73%) received both
- just over one third (34%) received the highest level of awards (‘enhanced/enhanced’ rates) for both mobility and daily living components, and almost a further third (29%) received one component at the enhanced rate
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calcotti said:
Although your underlying point is well made I don't recognise those figures.Wibbles said: 75% of claimants received an award and 29% received maximum mobility and care in 2021
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/personal-independence-payment-statistics-to-october-2021/personal-independence-payment-official-statistics-to-october-2021#clearance-outcomes--awardsAward rates for all claims (excluding withdrawn cases) between April 2013 and October 2021 show that:- 42% receive an award for normal rules new claims
- 71% receive an award for normal rules DLA reassessment claims
- 99% of SRTI claimants are awarded PIP
- 41% of all new claim clearances (excluding withdrawn) and 48% of those who were assessed received an award in October 2021
- 64% of all DLA reassessment clearances (excluding withdrawn) and 69% of those who were assessed received an award in October 2021
- nearly one quarter (23%) received daily living award only, 3% received mobility award only, and nearly three quarters (73%) received both
- just over one third (34%) received the highest level of awards (‘enhanced/enhanced’ rates) for both mobility and daily living components, and almost a further third (29%) received one component at the enhanced rate
The figures that I quoted are for people of working age and are shown on your link
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Is this before a MR or After? I'm on my 10th week of waiting for a reply now.Wibbles said:
75% of claimants received an award and 29% received maximum mobility and care in 2021ChrisH90 said:
You will be lucky to get anything at all, The majority of people on here get refused, Then it's the whole process of sending a Mandatory Reconsideration, If that's refused it's a Tribunal, I received 0 points from the Assessor, Currently waiting for a Reconsideration, Been waiting over 2 months now.Wibbles said:Also looking to the worse case again
If I am not offered high rates on both mobility and care components - could you please confirm the complaints procedure?
Starting with the form to check on the assessment......to discover what the assessor actually wrote...
I really hope that this is not necessarily but prewarned is prearmed1 -
I guess "after"ChrisH90 said:
Is this before a MR or After? I'm on my 10th week of waiting for a reply now.Wibbles said:
75% of claimants received an award and 29% received maximum mobility and care in 2021ChrisH90 said:
You will be lucky to get anything at all, The majority of people on here get refused, Then it's the whole process of sending a Mandatory Reconsideration, If that's refused it's a Tribunal, I received 0 points from the Assessor, Currently waiting for a Reconsideration, Been waiting over 2 months now.Wibbles said:Also looking to the worse case again
If I am not offered high rates on both mobility and care components - could you please confirm the complaints procedure?
Starting with the form to check on the assessment......to discover what the assessor actually wrote...
I really hope that this is not necessarily but prewarned is prearmed0 -
When / If I do get an "upgrade" from my present middle care DLA to Full Mobility and Care PIP - When will I receive the extra payment from ?ie) When is the upgrade date ?Is it the date that I sent the paperwork to DWPIs it the date that they received itOr is it the date that they actually clear the application ?This could potentially be over £1000 !0
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If you transferring from DLA then the PIP starts about 7 weeks after the decision is made, if successfully awarded. If you have a higher award for PIP there is no backdated money owed.
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poppy123456 said:If you transferring from DLA then the PIP starts about 7 weeks after the decision is made, if successfully awarded. If you have a higher award for PIP there is no backdated money owed.That is basically not the case - according to what I have been told by Citizens Advice (independantly confirmed):"Any financial difference in your PIP award compared to your current DLA payments will be backdated to the date you claimed PIP.""Your PIP will be backdated to when you first made a PIP claim, so you are likely to get a lump sum back payment."And, hopefully - when I do receive my upgrade - it will be high rate both and for 10 years, which will take me to 68 years of age !
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Wibbles said:poppy123456 said:If you transferring from DLA then the PIP starts about 7 weeks after the decision is made, if successfully awarded. If you have a higher award for PIP there is no backdated money owed.That is basically not the case - according to what I have been told by Citizens Advice (independantly confirmed):"Any financial difference in your PIP award compared to your current DLA payments will be backdated to the date you claimed PIP.""Your PIP will be backdated to when you first made a PIP claim, so you are likely to get a lump sum back payment."That's absolutely terrible advice from CAB because it's completely incorrect. When transferring from DLA there's no backdated money, even if your PIP award is higher than the DLA award. My previous advice is correct.Think of it this way, if you were refused PIP, you wouldn't expect to have to pay any of the DLA back would you.That link you posted has also failed to mention those that are transfering from DLA.I'm sure others will only be too happy to confirm my advice is correct..0
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Is TURN-2-US and many others wrong as well ?poppy123456 said:Wibbles said:poppy123456 said:If you transferring from DLA then the PIP starts about 7 weeks after the decision is made, if successfully awarded. If you have a higher award for PIP there is no backdated money owed.That is basically not the case - according to what I have been told by Citizens Advice (independantly confirmed):"Any financial difference in your PIP award compared to your current DLA payments will be backdated to the date you claimed PIP.""Your PIP will be backdated to when you first made a PIP claim, so you are likely to get a lump sum back payment."That's absolutely terrible advice from CAB because it's completely incorrect. When transferring from DLA there's no backdated money, even if your PIP award is higher than the DLA award. My previous advice is correct.Think of it this way, if you were refused PIP, you wouldn't expect to have to pay any of the DLA back would you.That link you posted has also failed to mention those that are transfering from DLA.I'm sure others will only be too happy to confirm my advice is correct..I think that you are getting confused with BACKDATED claims to a date prior to a claim - in which case"As a general rule, PIP cannot be backdated, so you won't be able to get money for any time you were ill or disabled before you applied for the benefit"
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Wibbles said:
Is TURN-2-US and many others wrong as well ?poppy123456 said:Wibbles said:poppy123456 said:If you transferring from DLA then the PIP starts about 7 weeks after the decision is made, if successfully awarded. If you have a higher award for PIP there is no backdated money owed.That is basically not the case - according to what I have been told by Citizens Advice (independantly confirmed):"Any financial difference in your PIP award compared to your current DLA payments will be backdated to the date you claimed PIP.""Your PIP will be backdated to when you first made a PIP claim, so you are likely to get a lump sum back payment."That's absolutely terrible advice from CAB because it's completely incorrect. When transferring from DLA there's no backdated money, even if your PIP award is higher than the DLA award. My previous advice is correct.Think of it this way, if you were refused PIP, you wouldn't expect to have to pay any of the DLA back would you.That link you posted has also failed to mention those that are transfering from DLA.I'm sure others will only be too happy to confirm my advice is correct..The link you posted doesn't mention those transferring from DLA. No one has receive any backdated money when transferring from DLA to PIP and this has been the case since PIP was introduced in 2013.We have several members here that have transferred from DLA to PIP and i'm sure they'll confirm my advice is correct.0 -
I agree with poppy. On DLA to transfer the PIP award (whether higher or lower) there is a wait from after the decision is made until PIP goes into payment.
See DWP guidance
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/814635/admp5.pdfP5062 When an assessment determination is made by the DM on a claim by a transfer claimant
the DM will, as soon as is practicable, send the claimant written notification of the outcome decision and
DLA will be terminated, on the last day of the period of 28 days starting with the first pay day after the making of the determination.
P5063 When the outcome decision is an award of either or both PIP components, the claimant’s entitlement to PIP will begin
from the day immediately following the day the claimant’s entitlement to DLA terminates or
immediately following the last day of the period of 28 days as calculated in P5035 starting with the first pay day after making the determination.
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calcotti said:I agree with poppy. On DLA to transfer the PIP award (whether higher or lower) starts about 7 weeks after the decision is made.
Thanks calcotti, i was hoping you'd see it and reply. I looked for that guidance too but couldn't find it. I've now saved for future reference.0 -
I amended my reply slightly because it seemed to me, reading the guidance, that the gap from decision to first PIP payment could be greater than 7 weeks (there will be a DLA payment in between).0
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I do know that the payments always cause people confusion when going from DLA to PIP. Either way, there will not be any payments owed from PIP if the claim is successful.
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Could you please give me the link where it mentions 7 weeks?calcotti said:I amended my reply slightly because it seemed to me, reading the guidance, that the gap from decision to first PIP payment could be greater than 7 weeks (there will be a DLA payment in between).
I can't see it on your original link0
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