The Green Paper Discussion (the document link is here too!)

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  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    I get enhanced but I’m talking about the new points . No one seems sure of how many you’ll need .

  • Tonawanda17
    Tonawanda17 Community Member Posts: 182 Contributor

    Hi. I found this in the green paper - People with the most severe disabilities or with health conditions that will never improve will never be reassessed.

    I am on ESA (CB) and have been disabled and a wheelchair user since birth. Does anyone know if this means i won't be re-assessed? Thanks

  • pinkrose
    pinkrose Community Member Posts: 171 Empowering

    Tbh becky I think if someone wins tribunal they MIGHT be treated as an ongoing claimant.

    But anything is possible, and I don't trust them.

    Yes the whole system is open to abuse, and the pressure will be on the assessors to find vulnerable people fit for work to meet targets of reducing benefits .

  • Prinko
    Prinko Community Member Posts: 22 Contributor

    Can anyone give any indication on when these will happen? As in, how long it might take, in the realm of years or months? I know some may not be passed etc.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    I hope they change the 4 point rule . I don’t even know how it works as everyone seems to think differently as it’s not been made clear , well not to me 😩if anyone can explain it I’d be grateful

  • luvpink
    luvpink Community Member Posts: 4,680 Championing
  • Andi66
    Andi66 Community Member Posts: 1,416 Championing

    So why daily living 4 points and not mobility side as well. ?

    So are we reassessed again when our review ends. And if you have a diagnosis that not getting better what then

  • deewhite
    deewhite Community Member Posts: 26 Contributor

    Sorry if this is a daft question but what about the people who are still getting income related esa and in the support group, does anyone know how all this will effect us, also those on hight rate dla mobility.

  • Zipz
    Zipz Community Member Posts: 4,345 Championing
  • JoeBeth24x
    JoeBeth24x Community Member Posts: 41 Connected

    So could someone tell me what this means for existing members on LCWRA & UC. I'm due a re-assessment soon for LCWRA, and worried is an understatement.

  • CandyK85
    CandyK85 Community Member Posts: 12 Contributor

    I can't remember about my initial assessment, but my reassessment (which just went through) I got 4 points in 3 different bits for daily living.

    It looks like they're trying to cut costs by cutting off people who score lower - I guess that's what she meant by focusing help for people who are more severely disabled?
    At the end of the day the whole purpose of the paper is to make cuts and they need to sell it to the electorate and their own party.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    Hi 👋,

    Can someone from scope please explain the new pip points please as there seems to some confusion, at least I’m confused. I know you need to score 4 points in one question but is it then an additional 4 making 8 for lower. And 4 points plus 8 equal 12 for higher ?

  • Jenwren
    Jenwren Community Member Posts: 104 Empowering

    From what I understand if you score 4 or more points in any one catagory under the new PIP reform you'll still get PIP. Anyone who scores under 4 in any catagory will loose their daily living PIP under the proposed reforms.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    I think I read online guardian. Backlash from union’s charities back benchers

  • Vulcress
    Vulcress Community Member Posts: 113 Empowering

    that 4 point policy is quite frankly cruel.

    one moment she was talking about everyone is different, then a cookie cutter "idea"

    like this. 4 consultants who look after various aspects of my care all wrote letters to explain

    how this condition works, even after all the updated letters the person said we had provided enough evidence and I had a 10 year award, when Dad checked the letter on the points for cooking they referenced a letter 8 years earlier, at the time my arm was still there!!!!

    So it shows how these people zone out, that's why I urge people talk to consultants when you see them next, one thing I learned long time ago Letters stating

    "this patient suffers from" "this patient uses a wheelchair" quite frankly are toilet paper.

    they need to explain exactly how it affects you so they have medical evidence what you are saying is backed up by the medical professionals.

    Also those tiny boxes there is no way in hell you can explain what they want to know

    Always put some detail in there that is based on the question but also add a letter that corresponds to the question informing them in the same box please look at enclosed letter for greater detail.

    they say no photos, No send photos if it explains more about an issue. One reason they dont want photos they are hard to scan.. well if they want to know everything including about personal care they can see the reasons why help is needed, Not been rebuked once about it because we made it clear the photos are graphic but needed.

    I cannot stress this enough to people, It boils my wee when GP charge patients X amount of money for a letter that's little more than a note. We all know they are bogged down but they also charge some very high prices for very low quality letters, Its not about lies its about proof what you are talking about is true and it does help them.

  • kitsmum
    kitsmum Community Member Posts: 138 Empowering

    Its going to take me far too long to read all of that information. Inability to take in information and brain fog are 2 of my symptoms. How are we supposed to take in all of that information and respond.

  • worried33
    worried33 Community Member Posts: 1,054 Championing
    edited March 2025

    There was probably some maths done on what was needed to reach targeted amount of savings, which descriptors cause the most problems in tribunals etc. Daily living also pays more support than mobility.
    Review will work as normal but if the review is after they change the requirements, you will then need at least one 4 point descriptor in daily living (as well as existing requirements) to be awarded daily living.

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