The Green Paper Discussion (the document link is here too!)
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We will. Be effected later down the line
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Oh OK thankyou very much for explaining Oh pls 🙏 may it be watered down put an end to this ongoing on slaughter this started October 2023 and it's been constant I hope your OK
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From what I read on Benefits & Work website it's not even legal due to the consultation thing again, I only understood some parts of it, but if it's true why aren't legal people and Ellen Clifford etc taking them back to court, if only to slow them down and show them we won't accept their ridiculous proposals?
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I will be mentioning it as well in my responses to the Green Paper.
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MP's had the same conversation in 2015! Full employment no less!
(House of Commons Library - briefing paper) 32 The aims of ten years of welfare reform (2010-2020)
Section 15 of the Welfare Reform and Work Act 2016 amended the Welfare Reform Act 2007 to remove provision for the payment of the WRAC, in both contributory and income-related ESA. Section16 of the 2016 Act made equivalent provision for Universal Credit. Removal of the WRAC was justified on the basis that it would improve incentives for people to prepare to enter the labour market. In his Summer Budget 2015 speech the Chancellor referred to the “perverse incentive” whereby ESA claimants in the WRAG received more money than claimants of Jobseeker’s Allowance “but get nothing like the help to find suitable employment.” The Chancellor noted that while the JSA caseload had fallen by 700,000 since 2010, over the same period the numbers on incapacity benefits including ESA had fallen by just 90,000, despite 61% of claimants in the WRAG saying they wanted to work. The Budget documents expand that: Increasing employment levels amongst people with disabilities and health conditions are a key part of the government’s aim to achieve full employment. The current system creates a financial incentive to claim sickness benefits over Jobseeker’s Allowance. From April 2017, new claimants of Employment and Support Allowance (ESA) who are placed in the Work-Related Activity Group will therefore receive the same rate as those claiming Jobseeker’s Allowance, alongside additional support to help them take steps back to work.
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I’m sure they are but need to go through it all
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I've just read online that some of the benefit changes are going through without consultation. Has anyone else heard this? This was from the MS Society.
"The government is also forcing through its changes to PIP and the WCA without consulting on them. It's unacceptable they're denying disabled people their say on changes which would have a significant impact on their lives.22 hours ago"
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It says in the Green Paper they are restarting them. I have the same fear of being found LCW. It is just playing on my mind constantly.
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You are welcome, no, I do not have a 4 but feel I should have. I will wait for a while to see what else is said/written by the Government before I delve in any deeper. Sorry, I have not looked at LCWRA but understand that PIP will be used in any assessments rather than separately, I stand to be corrected.
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I have enhanced for both and have met 4pts criteria on 2 descriptors for daily living.
But I'm due for review in November 2026, just as these pip changes come in.
Things have got worse for me since my last review in 2023, I spoke to dwp when I was forced to migrate to uc , they told me im also due a reassessment next April for my esa /uc...so reassessed at the point of change for both benefits.
To say I'm terrified is an understatement, however if I am assessed proper and fairly, I should be put into the severe category with no reassessment required. But I won't hold my breath.
I always expect the worst when it comes to the dwp and assessments.
But I will be ready , with my medical evidence.
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Thanks secretsquirrel, what's a dynamic duo? Are they on YouTube or something?
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Thank You Jen, honestly, you guys are amazing I've had two lovely responses and I feel better, I just hope that there are drastic changes made, it's so cruel , it's surreal
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Forgive me Jen...but I thought much if these proposals can be ushered through without much legal challenge .
I'm hoping I'm wrong on that.
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Thanks so much Holly. X
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The irony is that most people - regardless of ability - refuse to join the army because they know this country is not worth fighting for. Especially young people.
Why should young people fight for Britain when Britain treats them like absolute ****? Not to mention killing so many of their peers via austerity, including these cuts. Of course more young people are on benefits when they have no future.
And that's before considering Britain's foreign policy has directly caused many of the issues in the world today (Israeli apartheid, Chagos Islands dispute, Jammu & Kashmir Dispute, to name a few).
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Stephen Timms said on Good Morning Britain today that a new PIP assessment will start in November 2026. This means the current points system and descriptors will no longer be used. Everyone will need to meet the new criteria, and you’ll have to fill out a new form when it’s time to renew your PIP. Here is the link to that conversation:
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I wrote to reeves Kendall Timms Starmer . I told them that although they don’t care about the sick and disabled they will care about our votes in future and that they mentioning there’s over 2 million sick people well that a lot of votes they’ll ve losing. Starmer won’t care , he has no love for this country so he’ll follow Blair. But the back benchers they’re the ones . They’ve waited all this time and with Starmer will be a one time government . They’re the ones we all need to contact even if not our MP. They’re need to know we aren’t going to vote for starmer reeves Kendall rayner . Rayner was interviewed and was on our side. When Kendall was talking about saving money through cuts there was rayner agreeing.
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No luvpink rent a room out behind the scenes I can imagine so much going on now can see this was always planned remember wasn't moving legacy to 2029-2030 I think they was going to go with tories wca plan ellen clifford stopped that now to this by the time pipchanges come about if your not already seriously ill we will be by then we have to put our faith and hope in unions charities not is all lost just yet there's people who know how to pick the green paper apart and find something to many people going to be effected so hell yh they will fight p
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Your amazing thankyou
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Thanks MW123, I wasn't aware of this.
So that's another thing to worry about. But I'd rather know.
I Wonder how many leaks to the press and deliberate scare mongering will happen in regards to the new pip criteria.
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