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  • Stellar
    Stellar Online Community Member Posts: 366 Pioneering

    Emails on their own aren't enough. Attending in person protests where possible is the next step forward (or helping them behind the scenes if you can't physically go). There's a day of action planned for Wednesday 26t by Crips Against Cuts.

  • Stellar
    Stellar Online Community Member Posts: 366 Pioneering

    Trade unions refusing to stop supporting Labour are part of the problem. Just one of many reasons the British left are strategically and politically inept.

  • pinkrose
    pinkrose Online Community Member Posts: 170 Empowering

    I agree stellar..but due to my multiple disabilities I will not be able to attend in person,and this just makes me feel more worthless and helpless.

  • pinkrose
    pinkrose Online Community Member Posts: 170 Empowering

    Yup....starmer is a dictator.

  • zoomie
    zoomie Online Community Member Posts: 11 Connected

    I am a pensioner on a light touch review every 10 years. I get high rates PIP for both Mobility and Daily Care. I was given 4 points on three of the daily living descriptors and 3 points on one descriptor . The letter I received at the time of the award stated that they would get in touch with me in Nov 2026 to see if my needs were the same. Do I have to worry regarding Labour’s proposals? Thanks

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  • Girl_No1
    Girl_No1 Online Community Member Posts: 413 Trailblazing

    @Vulcress my fear is that even if some Labour MPs rebel, it will be carried by Tory MPs voting for it. The Tories' rationale is they know Labour will not be re-elected when this is implemented, Tory voters will support their support of any dismantling of the welfare state, and the Tories' job of dismantling the welfare state will be half way done when they next come into power.

    It's a win/win for the Tories - keep their own voters onside, and have the job half-done by Labour.

  • HollisMcBobbery
    HollisMcBobbery Online Community Member Posts: 31 Contributor

    I can't see the Tories getting in anytime soon unless reform implodes. I can see reform/ lib dems swallowing most of their votes they hope to get back in the next election. Just about the only political good news is seeing them where they belong, as an irrelevance.

  • Girl_No1
    Girl_No1 Online Community Member Posts: 413 Trailblazing

    @HollisMcBobbery Then, I can only assume people are expecting Reform UK to amend their views on welfare between now and next election.

    Their manifesto last year was, imo, even worse than the Labour proposal.

    Here's a copy of their 2024 manifesto pledge as posted on B&W:

    News

    Reform UK election manifesto: welfare benefits promises

     Published: 17 June 2024

    Reform UK has published its manifesto today.  It has less than half a page of text on benefits, under the heading “The Benefits System is Broken” and featuring a slogan of “In Britain, if you can work, you must work.”

    On PIP and the WCA, Reform says: 

    Face to Face, Not Remote Assessments for Benefits

    Personal Independence Payment and Work Capability Assessment should be face to face. We will require independent medical assessments to prove eligibility for payments. Those registered with severe disabilities or serious long-term illnesses would be exempt from regular checks.

    When benefits and work carried out a poll of readers two years ago on what sort of PIP assessment they would prefer, the results were:

    • Paper 59% 
    • Phone 20%
    • Face-to-face 20%
    • Video 1%

    So this is a move that would be unpopular with the majority of Benefits and Work readers

    The remainder of the text is devoted to raising the starting point for tax to £20,000 a year and an aim “Motivate up to 2 million People Back to Work”.

    Reform say that:

    “Reforms to benefit support and training will help people back into work. Particular focus on 16-34 year olds. Employment is critical to improving mental health. Tax relief for businesses that undertake apprenticeships.”

    The manifesto goes on to warn that:

    “All job seekers and those fit to work must find employment within 4 months or accept a job after 2 offers. Otherwise, benefits are withdrawn.”

    You can download a copy of Reform UK’s manifesto from this link.

    Anyway, it's possible some people will be too focused on ensuring immigrants don't receive benefits to care if their own family/neighbours are also 'punished'. Btw, imo, that's the route MAGA took in the US, and look at them now …. all up in arms about their welfare/healthcare disappearing along with anything immigrants get (which is very little from what I understand)! 🙄

  • noonebelieves
    noonebelieves Online Community Member Posts: 706 Championing

    I wish there were a miracle cure that could free me from all my disabilities, restore my independence, and allow me to return to work so I could leave the benefits system for good. No matter how hard I try to shake it off, the thought of being in this constant state of ‘asking for help just to survive and provide for my family is unbearable. I’m feeling really upset today… Maybe it’s the pain? I’m not sure.😢😢

  • Martinp
    Martinp Online Community Member Posts: 249 Empowering

    can’t sleep again, mind racing thinking about how I’m going to survive on the streets. I don’t want to exist in a hostel with a single room, that’s probably the best I can hope for now. I know it’s a couple of years away but it will happen and I’ve got to live knowing it’s going to be like that. I really hope if I do go to sleep I don’t wake up.

  • noonebelieves
    noonebelieves Online Community Member Posts: 706 Championing

    @Martinp I’m really sorry you’re feeling this way, and I can hear how much pain you’re in and being unable to sleep peacefully . The government proposals are scary for everyone , and it’s hard to see a way forward. But please know you and me are  not alone. There are people out there like Scope fighting for better support and resources for people in situations like us. Please reach out to someone, even if it’s hard. Do you have someone you can turn to ?You matter, and there is help available.Take care of yourself, and don’t give up.
    Best wishes 

  • HollisMcBobbery
    HollisMcBobbery Online Community Member Posts: 31 Contributor
    edited March 23

    fantastic read thanks for the info.

    Just to make it clear I'm no reform fan! Just love the tories being screwed.

    I'm fully in the I hate Reform, Tories and now Labour cohort of voters lol

  • Girl_No1
    Girl_No1 Online Community Member Posts: 413 Trailblazing

    @HollisMcBobbery (love the username, btw!)

    General rant incoming ….

    If even half of those two million the politicians think should be at work, that number would need to increased by approx. 40-50% to take into account unpaid carers who support us.

    Let's call it three million. From where the freaking heck are employers going to magic up three million jobs?? Particularly as AI becomes more entrenched in the workplace. That's before considering the who knows how many additional health & care staff that will be require to be recruited to offer this 'personalised' support to the two million rejoining the workforce. New 'recruits' from benefit claimants are extremely unlikely to be the specialist medical/psychological/psychiatric staff who will be required to provide this.

    From my own perspective, over decades of working with a hidden disability, whilst employers were onboard with making (some) adjustments to accommodate my condition, the resentment from colleagues, towards those accommodations and me, was personalised, horrendous, humiliating, and ultimately exacerbated my condition.

    Should jobs even be found for us, I don't think anyone has identified it is not only employers who need to be educated and supportive but colleagues also. Or, if colleagues cannot be supportive, at least there should be some mechanism whereby disabled people can leave such environments without punitive action from DWP.

    Ultimately, Labour will, once again, become the "Party That Isn't Working" as the unemployed figures balloon.

    We'll have come full circle since they introduced disability benefits as a means of massaging their then horrendous unemployment figures.

    Bottom line for me is I'm too old for their games. Between now and the sh*t hitting the fan, I'm making plans to ensure I and my disabled relatives can live (together if necessary) with as much dignity as possible in our final years.

  • johnnyy85
    johnnyy85 Online Community Member Posts: 266 Empowering
    edited March 23

    In the sun today

    “Rachel Reeves will use Labour's monster majority to face down welfarerebels”

    “RACHEL Reeves has vowed to use Labour’s monster majority to secure welfare reforms as she declared the total spend on benefits is “morally indefensible and economically damaging”.

  • alexroda
    alexroda Online Community Member Posts: 314 Pioneering

    labour, tories, reform, trump etc etc will fail. They will have to keep squeezing people out to balance their debt.

    First, pensioners, disabled, jobless, then another group and then another.

    Unless you start taxing the rich and modify the system, this problem won’t be solved and in the meantime our way of living will be dismantled before our own eyes.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/mar/22/all-uk-families-to-be-worse-off-by-2030-as-poor-bear-the-brunt-new-data-warns

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 8,621 Championing

    I prey they find it all to be against out human rights how can they do this

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 8,621 Championing

    I feel dread now since 2023 sunaks speech I don't want to hang around it's the big reset

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 8,621 Championing
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