The Green Paper Discussion (the document link is here too!)
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I wish we could contact Michael Sheen and ask him to stick up for the disabled. I wouldn’t know how to contact him though and if he would even read a letter etc.
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I've been doing my bit emailing MP's etc but I'm afraid to say, there has been hardly any 'pushback' in parliament.
Yes we've had a couple of MP's resign and merely a handful 'speak out' but this week has shown that most MP'S seem to be in agreement with the cuts, or even scared to 'go against them' ....this terrifies me because it points to these proposals being passed through parliament. And the disability charities haven't really 'fought back', their very 'lax' reactions have been all but buried in the media.
BTW, not one MP has had the decency to even reply to my emails.
The contempt most of them have for the sick and vulnerable is really starting to show.
I've lost all hope of these proposals being 'watered down' or cancelled.
Sadly I've resigned myself to the major possibility of it being a 'done deal'.
Destitution here I come.
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And go through they will. It's disgraceful. But we don't have enough MP'S to fight our corner.
And I must say Catherine, given how awful and dangerous these proposals are, the disability charities have really let us down this week.
There has been NO PUSHBACK OF ANY NOTE FROM THE ORGANISATIONS THAT CLAIM TO BE FOR THE DISABLED. JUST A FEW VERY LACKLUSTRE STATEMENTS.
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Spot on,
What's triggered this her fiscal rules will fail totally, Now they are sending her team out
saying "of course its not austerity". Its Austerity, they made a serious of promises that were not needed. Funny though the promise to make the mega wealthy pay has been broken no problem,
Starmer can change his stance on issues in a matter of days.
A book suggests its people like Mc Fadden are running the show
and given how Starmer is performing I could well believe it.
they seem to be under this impression 2 years time everything will be amazing
and a 2nd term assured. If this years Elections go bad watch the collective meltdown
they appear to have prepared nothing for Government whilst in opposition
C&C should be the foundation of Labour, Common sense and Compassion
its never weak to show compassion its never weak to speak from the heart
and defend the people who need defending. But what we are seeing from Starmer
is a feckless man who buckled when the right wing media piled pressure on him.
I would go as far to say we might be seeing the end of the Labour party as we know it
they have totally lost focus on what separates them from the Tories/Reform
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Its a limbo period.
What appears to have happened is Kendall and Timms called a meeting with MP's to basically stop a rebellion later on, then they opened the floor to comments and basically every MP
said they had been flooded with messages from mild to very abusive stating long term voters will never support them again, new MP's who barely won got angry saying they were not elected on a platform like this and the meeting then went even worse when one asked was the story true Reeves is planning on more welfare cuts this coming week, Both Ministers apparently refused to answer and that's when MP's shouted they would not vote in favour.
Starmer seems confused, If the role of an MP is just to vote for whatever the leader wants
it makes this form of governance a total waste of time, MP's are there to convey back to the Govt exactly what the people who voted for them are saying. I really am getting the vibe from Starmer he's acting like a President = vote against me I kick you out.
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Emails on their own aren't enough. Attending in person protests where possible is the next step forward (or helping them behind the scenes if you can't physically go). There's a day of action planned for Wednesday 26t by Crips Against Cuts.
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Trade unions refusing to stop supporting Labour are part of the problem. Just one of many reasons the British left are strategically and politically inept.
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I agree stellar..but due to my multiple disabilities I will not be able to attend in person,and this just makes me feel more worthless and helpless.
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Yup....starmer is a dictator.
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I am a pensioner on a light touch review every 10 years. I get high rates PIP for both Mobility and Daily Care. I was given 4 points on three of the daily living descriptors and 3 points on one descriptor . The letter I received at the time of the award stated that they would get in touch with me in Nov 2026 to see if my needs were the same. Do I have to worry regarding Labour’s proposals? Thanks
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The ones who would be hit the hardest are those who are only on LCWRA, as they could lose all their benefits all of a sudden and would have to face the dreadful hassles of condescending so-called work coaches at job centre. God forbid.
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@Vulcress my fear is that even if some Labour MPs rebel, it will be carried by Tory MPs voting for it. The Tories' rationale is they know Labour will not be re-elected when this is implemented, Tory voters will support their support of any dismantling of the welfare state, and the Tories' job of dismantling the welfare state will be half way done when they next come into power.
It's a win/win for the Tories - keep their own voters onside, and have the job half-done by Labour.
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I can't see the Tories getting in anytime soon unless reform implodes. I can see reform/ lib dems swallowing most of their votes they hope to get back in the next election. Just about the only political good news is seeing them where they belong, as an irrelevance.
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Some Good News At Last !!! 😂
NEW: The Equality and Human Right Commission is investigating Labour’s benefits cuts for potentially breaching the Equality Act[@Telegraph]7 -
@HollisMcBobbery Then, I can only assume people are expecting Reform UK to amend their views on welfare between now and next election.
Their manifesto last year was, imo, even worse than the Labour proposal.
Here's a copy of their 2024 manifesto pledge as posted on B&W:
NewsReform UK election manifesto: welfare benefits promises
Published: 17 June 2024
Reform UK has published its manifesto today. It has less than half a page of text on benefits, under the heading “The Benefits System is Broken” and featuring a slogan of “In Britain, if you can work, you must work.”
On PIP and the WCA, Reform says:
Face to Face, Not Remote Assessments for Benefits
Personal Independence Payment and Work Capability Assessment should be face to face. We will require independent medical assessments to prove eligibility for payments. Those registered with severe disabilities or serious long-term illnesses would be exempt from regular checks.
When benefits and work carried out a poll of readers two years ago on what sort of PIP assessment they would prefer, the results were:
- Paper 59%
- Phone 20%
- Face-to-face 20%
- Video 1%
So this is a move that would be unpopular with the majority of Benefits and Work readers
The remainder of the text is devoted to raising the starting point for tax to £20,000 a year and an aim “Motivate up to 2 million People Back to Work”.
Reform say that:
“Reforms to benefit support and training will help people back into work. Particular focus on 16-34 year olds. Employment is critical to improving mental health. Tax relief for businesses that undertake apprenticeships.”
The manifesto goes on to warn that:
“All job seekers and those fit to work must find employment within 4 months or accept a job after 2 offers. Otherwise, benefits are withdrawn.”
You can download a copy of Reform UK’s manifesto from this link.
Anyway, it's possible some people will be too focused on ensuring immigrants don't receive benefits to care if their own family/neighbours are also 'punished'. Btw, imo, that's the route MAGA took in the US, and look at them now …. all up in arms about their welfare/healthcare disappearing along with anything immigrants get (which is very little from what I understand)! 🙄
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I wish there were a miracle cure that could free me from all my disabilities, restore my independence, and allow me to return to work so I could leave the benefits system for good. No matter how hard I try to shake it off, the thought of being in this constant state of ‘asking for help just to survive and provide for my family is unbearable. I’m feeling really upset today… Maybe it’s the pain? I’m not sure.😢😢
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can’t sleep again, mind racing thinking about how I’m going to survive on the streets. I don’t want to exist in a hostel with a single room, that’s probably the best I can hope for now. I know it’s a couple of years away but it will happen and I’ve got to live knowing it’s going to be like that. I really hope if I do go to sleep I don’t wake up.
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@Martinp I’m really sorry you’re feeling this way, and I can hear how much pain you’re in and being unable to sleep peacefully . The government proposals are scary for everyone , and it’s hard to see a way forward. But please know you and me are not alone. There are people out there like Scope fighting for better support and resources for people in situations like us. Please reach out to someone, even if it’s hard. Do you have someone you can turn to ?You matter, and there is help available.Take care of yourself, and don’t give up.
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fantastic read thanks for the info.
Just to make it clear I'm no reform fan! Just love the tories being screwed.
I'm fully in the I hate Reform, Tories and now Labour cohort of voters lol
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@HollisMcBobbery (love the username, btw!)
General rant incoming ….
If even half of those two million the politicians think should be at work, that number would need to increased by approx. 40-50% to take into account unpaid carers who support us.
Let's call it three million. From where the freaking heck are employers going to magic up three million jobs?? Particularly as AI becomes more entrenched in the workplace. That's before considering the who knows how many additional health & care staff that will be require to be recruited to offer this 'personalised' support to the two million rejoining the workforce. New 'recruits' from benefit claimants are extremely unlikely to be the specialist medical/psychological/psychiatric staff who will be required to provide this.
From my own perspective, over decades of working with a hidden disability, whilst employers were onboard with making (some) adjustments to accommodate my condition, the resentment from colleagues, towards those accommodations and me, was personalised, horrendous, humiliating, and ultimately exacerbated my condition.
Should jobs even be found for us, I don't think anyone has identified it is not only employers who need to be educated and supportive but colleagues also. Or, if colleagues cannot be supportive, at least there should be some mechanism whereby disabled people can leave such environments without punitive action from DWP.
Ultimately, Labour will, once again, become the "Party That Isn't Working" as the unemployed figures balloon.
We'll have come full circle since they introduced disability benefits as a means of massaging their then horrendous unemployment figures.
Bottom line for me is I'm too old for their games. Between now and the sh*t hitting the fan, I'm making plans to ensure I and my disabled relatives can live (together if necessary) with as much dignity as possible in our final years.
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