Green Paper Discussion (from 24th March, 2025)

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  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 3,642 Championing

    Clive Lewis MP on Sky News was awesome too 👏

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 3,642 Championing
    edited March 26

    I dug this out. Angela Raynor helped get the WRAC removed for LCW claimants so be in no doubt she understands all of this in 2025.

    Angela Raynor - Commons Shadow Minister (Work and Pensions) Department for Work and Pensions 7 January 2016 - 27 June 2016 

    Angela Raynor - Commons Opposition Whip (Commons ) Whips Office (Commons) 18 September 2015 - 7 January 2016

    The Welfare Reform and Work Bill 2015-16 had its Third Reading in the House of Lords on 9 February, and the Commons is due to consider Lords amendments on 23 February. 

    The Government suffered a second defeat at Report on 27 January. An amendment tabled by the Crossbencher Lord Low of Dalston and others to retain the Employment and Support Allowance work-related activity component was agreed by 283 votes to 198.

  • pinkrose
    pinkrose Online Community Member Posts: 160 Empowering

    Same here summerlove, Labour through and through back to my great grandparents, and yes it was Blair who started the ruination.....but omg I can't believe how awful starmer and Co are.

    They've ENDED the Labour Party.

    Hardly anybody will vote for them in the future.

    They really are the 'new nasty party'.

    Hopefully the fight back will start tomorrow.

    You Take care of yourself summer, we all need to be kind to ourselves.

    I just can't believe what's happening.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 619 Trailblazing

    yes I thought it was interesting when he said that. It just shows you they’re not happy with Starmer . At the end of the day they’ve said they want £5 billion in cuts which is more than the Tory’s and the judge said it was so much of a cut that is was unlawful. It’s actually unbelievable that they just want to strip pip from a million ppl regardless if they’re disabled or not and attach lcwra to it . So ppl can no longer have a long term condition. I’m just hoping the courts find it all unlawful.

  • HollisMcBobbery
    HollisMcBobbery Online Community Member Posts: 31 Contributor

    Angela Rayner is on a tricky one here I think. She's referencing her own family while defending these cuts. I'm dissapointed as I'd hoped she'd be more horrified at the disastrous set of cruel cuts. Like her unions are.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 619 Trailblazing

    I don’t think they care about getting ppl to work. They could start with the healthy job seekers first . It’s not as though they’ve just tightened the criteria a bit , they’ve literally worked out how many ppl they need to get of pip to save the desired amount. They are truly evil.

  • HollisMcBobbery
    HollisMcBobbery Online Community Member Posts: 31 Contributor
  • worried33
    worried33 Online Community Member Posts: 858 Championing
    edited March 26

    I will try to explain this again.

    It initially be just PIP as the PIP assessment isnt used for LCW.

    Automated repeat WCA is going to resume, it might already have resumed, as long as the WCA is still here then the PIP assessment only affects PIP, the plan is to eventually get rid of WCA, and when that happens there will be no more LCW/LCWRA, a health top up will replace it, the health top up will have no automated exemption from work related activities, its purely a financial support mechanism. When this change happens there will only be the PIP assessment.

    The health top up will have two ways to be eligible, either via PIP daily living or if you already have LCWRA before 2026, and you then are awarded LCWRA again from a new WCA after that point. I assume if you are made eligible via the second way, then you keep it perpetually without assessments until the next reform or claim closed, a kind of grand fathering.

  • worried33
    worried33 Online Community Member Posts: 858 Championing
    edited March 26

    She will only be told if someone does a successful court challenge, governments have shown time and time again they are prepared to disregard the law, remember innocent until proven guilty. This court challenge only has a few months window, as the paper (the parts with no consultation) will very likely be law by this summer.

  • worried33
    worried33 Online Community Member Posts: 858 Championing

    Its more lies really, if it was just about improving work access, they can do that without eligibility and cash cuts. Likewise the more recent interviews have claimed those who cant work will stay protected, clearly requiring 4 points to be eligible for PIP (which will later be a requirement for the health topup also) makes that a lie.

  • Girl_No1
    Girl_No1 Online Community Member Posts: 191 Empowering

    She's swallowed the KoolAid. By the gallon it appears.

    How long do you think she spent, twisting her logic, to reach those "reasons" it was wrong for her mother and son to have received benefits due to illness / disability.

    Why don't you hand them back then?

    I'd put my house on her son passing whatever the new PIP test is with flying colours, irrespective of his condition/s, despite her assertion all he wants is a chance to work. 🙄

  • idk
    idk Online Community Member Posts: 16 Connected

    So there's not enough well paid jobs in the country hiring, many on UC to top up wages. As well as many looking for jobs.

    A policy to force those of us on some form of disability benefit to join the queue of those seeking work. Where are these jobs coming from? And who are these employers who will take on people with disabilities?

    I have worked several times, and each time, my mental health would crash because I was always on edge, made me suicidal, so I ended up on ESA and PIP.

    Could I work from home? Absolutely, but there's no one hiring, I want to get out of the nightmare of constantly having to justify my disability.

    But you know, it's okay for MPs to get free things, and a pay rise.

    For the few, not the many.

  • noonebelieves
    noonebelieves Online Community Member Posts: 347 Pioneering

    @Summerlove , you are absolutely correct. It’s good to see someone who’s sitting up in parliament truly cares for disabled people and condones the actions of their own party members. I still cannot believe for a mere sake of £6billion govt is prepared to eat off a dead person’s plate. I will surely look out for posts from secretsquirrel . Be blessed too 🤝

  • Ranald
    Ranald Online Community Member Posts: 880 Championing

    Maybe they will lose their seats, but with their fat contacts book, and ex member's pass, they will be welcomed with open arms by the private sector.

  • Girl_No1
    Girl_No1 Online Community Member Posts: 191 Empowering

    @idk said:

    "I have worked several times, and each time, my mental health would crash because I was always on edge, made me suicidal, so I ended up on ESA and PIP."

    Me too. The covert and overt bullying by colleagues is what saw my final collapse after 40+ years of "earning my keep".

    It's all fine and well Kendall, Reeves, Rayner et al pontificating about employers/reasonable adjustments etc. but my experience is the employers are not the problem.

    Colleagues who greatly resented any reasonable adjustments would not take their resentment / jealousy up with the manager/employer. They expressed their resentment cattily, bitchily and humiliatingly directly to me, or in my direction whilst pretending it was a "general" discussion.

    I hope your ESA is not New Style because it would appear those of us on that, without UC, are being sacrificed first. 😕

  • idk
    idk Online Community Member Posts: 16 Connected

    I always worked with people who seemed pleasent, and nice, but the wiring in my head tells me they are all lying, and judging, which makes working with people difficult.

    Working from home would be ideal for me, but there's an obsession with getting people into offices, which I just can't do.

    I was on legacy ESA, and got migrated to UC, which was a smooth process for me. The issue with legacy ESA is that we got ignored for the £20 uplift during COVID I think it was.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 619 Trailblazing

    I know what you mean . I’m trying not to panic as Sunak put my conditions into a set back . I was just getting better when Labour got in and I guessed there were going after us early on. It just doesn’t make sense how they’re trying to cut back further than anyone has tried before and they’ve failed.

  • noonebelieves
    noonebelieves Online Community Member Posts: 347 Pioneering

    @idk ,Sounds like your wiring in your head is 100% spot on✅

    Best Wishes!

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 619 Trailblazing

    I really hope the activists such as Ellen get something ready in time . It happened for the Tory green paper. From what I’ve watched in YouTube things are happening so fingers crossed as this is unbelievable. Apparently the ECHR are also looking into this . From what I’ve watched ppl who are benefiting from advisors and ex dwp reckon it’s discrimination regarding the 18-24 years not able to claim and the 4 points rule.

  • mawempathy
    mawempathy Online Community Member Posts: 75 Empowering

    BBC News website now leading with the story about even more welfare cuts to be announced on Wednesday.