Green Paper Discussion (from 24th March, 2025)
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Starmer is putting the changes to a vote which means it will become the law of the land, I guess the Lords could amend the changes but I'm not sure.
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Awful what can we do
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Says can't take to judical court as putting through as money something
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No money bill just needs royal assent lords can hold up by it still will pass that's it done for
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Hi Guys! As this is my first post since joining i hate for it to be negative, but I really don't think petitions and emails to your local Mp are going to work. Kier and Co have absolutely no morals whatsoever and will do everything they can to push it through. Charities and the like need to be alot more vocal via social media instead of sitting meakly in the corner telling us to sign petitions. Maybe behind closed doors they are doing more? But all I see on this forum and elsewhere is people( I include myself)with different disabilities suffering mental and physical anguish not knowing what the hell is going on and wondering If they are going to forced into further poverty. It's heartbreaking 💔 This gov is truly evil.
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So starmer putting pip through as money bills cannot be challenged in court or by house of lords only delayed what's the next thing to do if no one can challenge it ?
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Thing is this "4 point rule" surely would require a consultation? We know their Green Paper will get challenged.
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the 4 point rule is not part of the consultation.
I think that’s why they can vote for it so soon.
Wether that can be legally challenged, I don’t know
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This gets worse by the day. What an evil diabolical government this is
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Oh no that means we are buggered
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Wheres this information from ?
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If it's so easy why haven't other governments done this
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I emailed two of these MPs - linked to Parkinsons and Osteoporosis and got back "sorry can't help - your not in my area" so don't bother !!
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I cant find anything about money bill where did that information come form
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This is whats wriiten on Benefits & Work, I dont know where they got it from but there must be something in it for them to post it.
There are growing reports that Labour aim to introduce a bill in May and, if it certified as a money bill, the Lords will not be able to amend or delay it for more than a month, meaning the PIP and UC cuts could be on the statute book by the end of July, ready to be implemented next year.
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but is it a money bill?
A money bill is a bill that in the opinion of the House of Commons Speaker is concerned only with national taxation, public money or loans.1 -
by reading this, the 4 point rule can’t be considered a money bill:
A Money Bill means a Public Bill which in the opinion of the Speaker of the House of Commons contains only provisions dealing with all or any of the following subjects, namely, the imposition, repeal, remission, alteration, or regulation of taxation; the imposition for the payment of debt or other financial purposes of charges on the Consolidated Fund, the National Loans Fund or on money provided by Parliament, or the variation or repeal of any such charges; supply; the appropriation, receipt, custody, issue or audit of accounts of public money; the raising or guarantee of any loan or the repayment thereof; or subordinate matters incidental to those subjects or any of them. In this subsection the expressions “taxation”, “public money”, and “loan” respectively do not include any taxation, money, or loan raised by local authorities or bodies for local purposes.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/money-bills/money-bills3 -
They will do anything they can get away with. We are worse than rubbish to them. People need to get out and protest and cause a problem. It is the only way they might listen.
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God what is the point if it all months upon months now this I really thought it would get watered down and ofcourse Charlie boy will agree that's it then
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Maybe starmer knows a loophole
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