Green Paper Discussion (from 24th March, 2025)
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@Danny123 Really pleased your mum is coming home tomorrow and wishing her well for her ongoing recovery 🙏 take good care of yourself too.
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Hello all.
I tried to take time away just to get away from worrying but here I am on a sleepless night worrying.
My thoughts are:
That these cuts and changes will be disproportionately effecting disabled people surely none of it will be seen as lawful? Thing is I suspect Starmer intends to pass PIP/Universal Credit's changes as a money legislation (mentioned on here) meaning the Lords can't amend it and so it becomes the law of the land.
This PIP 4 Point Rule is nothing to do with money, surely that requires a different legislation and or a Green/White Paper?
The Green Paper and the subsequent White Paper may face legal challenges and possible amendments by the Lords. I think it's there where legal apparatus will be used.
Lastly I thought Labour would be the least worst option, they're even more worse than I imagined.
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Wishes for your mum’s ongoing recovery . Take care @Danny123
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"We will not know until they release further info on the WCA descriptors."
From what's released so far, there won't be any WCA descriptors, as the WCA itself is to be scrapped.
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Yet, there are over 2 million claimants who are currently on LCWRA. 1.8 million on UC, and the rest still on ESA.
People who are only on LCWRA and are not receiving any other benefits would be hit hardest - God forbid.
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Well, what they have released so far is not very clear. WCA is going to be scrapped for LCWRA but merged to PIP so all on LCWRA and PIP will have to do the new merged WCA. So EITHER they will have to remove mental health descriptors from the merged WCA to get rid of most mental health claimants from their benefits or add mental health descriptors to facilitate the most severe mental health conditions in the merged WCA.
PIP is really meant to be for mobility conditions and the costs for mobility. It does not really cater for mental health. Remembering that they have added the 4 point daily living making it harder for everyone anyway. This is not right. They have to give us more information on what the WCA is going to be whether they are going to facilitate mental health or not and whether they care about conditions that are NOT COVERED at all even now by the WCA.
If they are going to use the current PIP WCA just adding the 4 point in one descriptor for daily living to qualify it will mean EVERY mental health claimant will not qualify and many mobility claimants will not qualify. They need to give more info and be clear with it.
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I had a look at the points i was rewarded on my current pip, I don’t have the ‘mixing with people’ unless I didn’t get points for that, I do have points for engaging with people face to face is that the same as it sounds the same
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I'm sorry 🙏 to hear that you've had such a bad night.
You must feel powerless to do anything but that doesn't need to be the case. 😊
Have you heard of Disabled People Against Cuts? 🤔
They organised the big protest in London recently that was all over the media against these wicked proposals. 💪
🔗 https://dpac.uk.net/
Also, are you aware of Benefits and Work? I've been a member for years and I don't know where I would be without their expert benefit guides. I can't recommend them enough to give you a proper chance to submit the best evidence you can when you get your next assessment.
🔗 https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/
They both have campaigns to submit evidence, directly to parliament so you can tell them how the proposals will affect you as a disabled person and more you can take part in besides.
DPAC is £2 a year for membership and B&W is £20. You can sign up for their newsletters whether you're a member or not.
I do hope that you will consider having a look into them both if you have not been aware of them. Good Luck. 🤞 🍀 😊
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Yes they are the same :)
I’ve heard both being used, but it’s the exact same thing.
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I was denied PIP in 2014 , I got 4 points for mixing with people as i wear dark glasses and cannot look people in the eye .
I was awarded PIP in 2023 and put the same thing down and got 2 points , this shows me that different assessors have got no clue at all and just tick a number that they see fit .
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Woken up to another day of emotions all over the place I'm at cmht tomorrow pribley waste if time for 4 weeks !! Managing emotions who thinks anything is possible in 4 weeks angers me as after times up thier like you did so well oh go away sorry one minute up next down hair falling out face hand body goes numb doctor said anxiety what do you do when you can't escape reality I don't drink anymore and labour have tested me ! But I won't let them take me back to those drinking days !! Fed up low angry sad ok one minute next raging scared lost vunerable weak
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Same as me even darling glasses in winter if I can't find my sunglasses I freak out
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If they push through in may be to late to take to court as judicial takes time god I say again is this really happening we will be plunged into darkness I'm afraid I will break I despise them months upon months we have been used as a tool bullied the lot you have to be so strong to live under so much pressure and mental illness cruel sadistic
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It's so debilitating trying to figure it all out I'm wondering how many people have reacted to this psychological drawn out welfare reforms hiw much more do we have to endure
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I think they will starmer won't back down and it can't just be aimed at mental health as definitely could get them on discrimination I'm so so tired this been going on since sunak said sicknote Britain it's 24/7 even under tories didn't feel this oppressed just got on with crappy daily life now this is horrendous changing two benefits god pls need some hope getting very very depressed don't even want to talk to my daughter can't be bothered with anything looking after daughters dog later I just feel like saying leave me alone I won't ofcourse even my dogs barking making me so so anxious this is so so bad and unforgivable
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So the four point rule on daily living is it still same questions or some taken out so say face to face four points will that question be taken out ? And yes I know there is no guarantee to get same points just wondering if form will be changed
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Same its affecting my sleep and my cpap is showing events higher now, I am supposed to have 5 or less an hour, but now since the benefit changes I am having 8 and 9 . It's cruel what they're doing .
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I think that every single claimant who has been assessed with less than 4 points in a single category should apply for a reassessment (what have they got to lose ?) - when these 100,000's applications hit their inbox - they will not be able to cope with the numbers and these reassessments will take decades to churn through ? I liked to think that those claimants would be left with their present benefit levels until they are reassessed - because any delays will be their fault rather than the claimants fault.
And as for the reason for the reassessment request - "Mental Anguish caused by DWP changing the rules"
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They could give me apart in a remake of One flew over the cuckoo's nest ! God is this really happening everyday I feel myself slipping away from reality
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some are saying its a done deal ,
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