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  • jul1aorways
    jul1aorways Community Member Posts: 394 Pioneering
    edited May 2025

    Well squirrel, all I can say is that they will be out anyway if they try to push these cuts through as 200 MPs will find out by their PIP claimants voting them out. Some of those constituencies belong to ministers as well, including Streeting.

    As long as Rayner will keep her stance on being against the cuts up. She was for them not so long ago but she's seen the writing on the wall now and is acting accordingly.

    As long as it benefits us, that's the main thing, above all else.🤞We may be able to vote them out eventually but we don't want them to get the opportunity to take us down before they go. 😞

    We have got to keep the pressure up, even if things become really grim. I'm worried that if this vote does go through, that many disabled people may give up. 🥺

    That is the worst thing that could happen because the Labour Leadership have then got us where they want us if there are not many of us opposing them. 😡

    We must call their bluff as we have so much support behind us and legal action could then be taken, if this is passed into law. It could be watered down a lot, like the WFA. ✊

    Even if this vote is postponed so MPs can see the OBR impact statement and we can have a proper say, that will be a substantial victory in itself and the outcome which is most likely if we are successful. I doubt very much we will get a complete U turn.

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  • lincsgranny
    lincsgranny Community Member Posts: 201 Empowering

    It's the up and down each day that is soul destroying. Just wish the vote was tomorrow to get this over and done with one way or another

  • JasonRA
    JasonRA Community Member Posts: 302 Championing

    The reforms will remove the support disabled people currently use to be able to work.

    It's so blindingly obvious that this isn't about getting disabled into work I am convinced it's intentional.

    Anyone who supports this either with or without researching the details of what is going to happen is a lying, cowardly, faceless cretin.

    Here's another thing which those Reform Party supporters can't get through their thick skulls, elderly people on PIP are going to lose their eligibility too in the hope to force elderly people to claim attendance allowance.

    Labour are handing the keys to Number 10 Downing Street to Nigel Farage aren't they?

  • JasonRA
    JasonRA Community Member Posts: 302 Championing

    The Resolution Foundation report is damning. 3.2 million will have their disability benefits cuts on the justification they will get a job. But only 60,000 to 105,000 at most will be able to get a job. This means the major justification for the cuts is a lie.  

    They just want to make our lives even more of a misery. What a rotten government, a truly rotten rabble of twisted individuals.

  • lincsgranny
    lincsgranny Community Member Posts: 201 Empowering

    Yeah their a shameful bunch, it's always been about balancing the their books and unfortunately we are the easiest targets. We won't forget

  • bton1968
    bton1968 Community Member Posts: 155 Empowering

    And the rest will face sanctions to their universal credit

  • Martinp
    Martinp Community Member Posts: 248 Empowering
    edited May 2025

    I won’t because I’m going to use the last bit of money I will have for a final week away at my favourite place and then say goodbye to this. No other option

  • jul1aorways
    jul1aorways Community Member Posts: 394 Pioneering

    Yes it is a lot more than we could have hoped for. We were too used to being ignored and sidelined.

    It's really encouraging to see all the solid support that we've got but it didn't happen while the Tories took a smaller amount of our benefits off us at any one time and repeated it every so often.

    They were more on the ball for keeping our loses in support quiet but this lot only seem to know the sledgehammer approach.

    At least with them attempting to take nearly everything we've got left has got us the attention we deserve but what a terrible price we've all had to pay for it! 🥺

    What is terrifying is the sheer scale of the cuts and the Labour leaderships sadisic denial that they are doing anything wrong. We've not had a straight answer from them since March!! 😳

  • lincsgranny
    lincsgranny Community Member Posts: 201 Empowering

    Disability talk with Steve has put new video up

    Would put it on her but has Kendall on the screen

    Should check it out on YouTube

  • johnnyy85
    johnnyy85 Community Member Posts: 266 Empowering

    The observer are reporting an exclusive that Starmer is scrapping the two child benefit cap and saying in doing so it now shows that it is a moral mission to carry on with the disability cuts

  • johnnyy85
    johnnyy85 Community Member Posts: 266 Empowering

    Some aspects of the plan will be announced before summer. Although no final decision has been made, Whitehall sources say this is likely to include a commitment to end the two-child cap as part of an attempt to show that welfare reform is a “moral mission” for the government rather than simply an austerity drive. Dozens of Labour MPs are threatening to rebel over the government’s proposed changes to disability benefits.

  • johnnyy85
    johnnyy85 Community Member Posts: 266 Empowering
  • JasonRA
    JasonRA Community Member Posts: 302 Championing

    I think it will pass now, despite ALL the negative coverage they're going to pass it.

    Starmer and co are making this not a moral mission but an ideological crusade, they know it's wrong, they know it will force people into destitution but they will do it anyway.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    This can only backfire on her . It shows how two faced she is . According to what I just heard on silver fox there are now over 150 voting against. Obviously don’t know how true it is but if it the rebellion is growing.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    so basically he’s reinstating the WFA and scrapping the 2 child cap as they’ll use the money saved from the disabled. I hope this back fires as if true it’s disgusting

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing
  • JasonRA
    JasonRA Community Member Posts: 302 Championing

    https://www.ft.com/content/948a4d12-1543-4d1a-b288-97433f74a01d?utm_source=chatgpt.com

    "An ally of Kendall said that, while the movement on winter fuel was welcomed by Labour MPs, bold action on child poverty would be more likely to sway them into backing reforms to sickness and disability benefits. “Child poverty is the thing that’s relevant in that debate,” they said."

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    I just read on on here Rayner is now for the cuts and apparently starmers next u turn is the 2 child limit . I hope they don’t forget to k turn on the disability cuts too

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    I’m confused as I’ve read we only need 83 votes against from Labour and we could have 150

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