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  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 1,516 Championing

    Me too but what worries me is talk of looking at the assessments . I hope they aren’t planning on making the 4 point question closer to the 8 point questions.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 1,516 Championing

    I couldn’t even see any tweaks apart from TP of 13 weeks . If anything they’re changing less than originally expected ie enhanced no need for 4 points.

  • JasonRA
    JasonRA Online Community Member Posts: 252 Trailblazing

    Sorry to be like Columbo but I can't get my head around this pip olive branch nonsense.

    Labour are trying to scrap the work capability assessment meaning no more Universal Credit health elements so unless there's an intermediate benefit those who will lose pip will have to look for work or face sanctions.

    This is disastrous and unworkable.

  • Ranald
    Ranald Online Community Member Posts: 1,170 Championing
    edited June 13

    Having followed politics for a long time, i am still hopeful ( it might be misplaced hope ) that the final product will be significantly watered down.

    In any negotiation, both sides aim unrealistically high, in full knowledge they will have to give and take to get at least some, hopefully most of their policies over the line.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 1,516 Championing

    It’s the worse part to me . Surely to claim uc basic you have to declare yourself as fit and looking for work . What’s happens when we say we can’t work?

  • charlie72
    charlie72 Online Community Member Posts: 233 Pioneering

    It makes you feel sick and VERY angry, although I'm not one bit surprised by the low depths of depravity big business and government get up to. In a few years time, just like the post office scandal, and deaths that were related to it will come out as well about benefit related deaths that are still being kept quiet. There should be public outrage and court cases brought against all those in past and present governments who were responsible for wefare 'reforms' that caused deaths due to poverty or suicides. Reading this makes me all the more determined to fight this evil clan of no-hopers, I'll fight them to the bitter end, even if these changes do come in (likely) I'm never giving up what I'm legally entitled to, I'll fight it right up until tribunal stage to keep my PIP and LCWRA or health element as it will be renamed.

    Even though my pip is not up for reassessment until 2029 I'm already preparing for worse case scenario of not getting 4 points and have printed out a revised version from my last review for daily living components to get 4 points or above. In 2 of my last descriptors I should have gotten at least 4 points but they gave me 2, but like many people because I got standard rate like before didn't challenge it incase I lost eveything. I WON'T MAKE THIS MISTAKE AGAIN!! I would advise others to do the same, have a look at your last assessment record which they send you and see how many points you got for each element, and if you beleive it should be 4 or more points, appeal it next time, and don't give in!!

  • Ranald
    Ranald Online Community Member Posts: 1,170 Championing

    I read Maskell actually means she will get crucified by her constituents if she votes Aye. The concern might be genuine, but I bet it takes a back seat to political ambition.

  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 1,246 Championing

    In both politics and business, it is common for each side to start with unrealistic demands, knowing they will have to compromise to achieve at least part of their goals.

    Right now, it is clear that many MPs with narrow majorities, and even some who still hold old-fashioned Labour values, are genuinely worried, especially after the May council results delivered a much needed reality check.

    They are now facing an uphill battle to win back the trust they have lost, and it will not be easy. But I agree with you, adjustments are coming, and I fully expect to see them in the weeks ahead.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 6,431 Championing

    Devils I've been emailing Christians in parliament asking if there was a God why this happening it's gluttony

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 6,431 Championing
  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 6,431 Championing

    I think your right I'm thinking they will do away with MR

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 6,431 Championing

    I agree I've been emailing Christian in parliament asking them who will be liable for all the suicides I said thousands of families and friends will not keep quiet and wheres god in all of this just to the point not rude stating real facts millionaires running the country can have whatever they want in the world so crave the power people become something they can toy with entertainment for them how many cockroachs can we splat today I was so scared a year ago thankgod for scope and you guys I'm like you I won't give up and I will email right up to the 30th evil we have evil running the country and the mps know it there families could be effected at any point you think starmer cares for them

  • Fuzzy200
    Fuzzy200 Online Community Member Posts: 27 Contributor

    This just on the BBC.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c80k8v4043vo.amp

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 6,431 Championing

    I worry for my daughter she's 31 this year always followed society's rules went to university really worked hard brought her own flat by herself in covid times and in October more tax hikes I don't know how she will keep her flat it's everyone thier affecting they must be doing this on purpose is 2030 true that can be the only explanation! Families that live together have the right idea we been segregated to live on our own well most of us not all of us easier to target oh I don't know can drive you insane labour really have been the worst thing for this country

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 6,431 Championing

    Just off topic for a moment how is Albus doing

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 6,431 Championing
  • lincsgranny
    lincsgranny Online Community Member Posts: 118 Empowering

    I just listened to this article and it's shocking. Labour are for the working people not for disabled on benefits it said absolutely shocking and disgusting from a Government

  • ashmere
    ashmere Online Community Member Posts: 40 Empowering

    From Benefits and Work site

    News

    Will Kendall’s concessions win over Labour rebels?

     Published: 13 June 2025

    Liz Kendall has offered three concessions to Labour rebels unhappy about the Green Paper cuts.  But will they be enough to sway a significant number of dismayed MPs?

    The concessions

    The Guardian reports that Kendall has offered the following to Labour rebels:

    13 weeks payment of PIP for claimants who lose their award because of the 4-point rule.

    The “right to work” scheme for those on health and disability benefits will be introduced at the same time as the bill.

    “Non-negotiable” protections for the most vulnerable benefits recipients will be on the face of the new bill.

    13 week payment

    Usually, claimants who lose their award because of rule changes by the DWP might expect to receive payments for 4 weeks, after being found to be no longer eligible. 

    13 weeks is more “generous” but of little practical use, as few claimants will be able to apply for other benefits or secure employment in that time.  As a concession, it seems ineffective.

    Right to work scheme

    The right to work scheme appears to be a reference to the idea outlined at para 126 of the Pathways to Work Green Paper that claimants can try work without worrying about losing benefits:

    “. . . we will introduce legislation that guarantees that trying work will not be considered a relevant change of circumstance that will trigger a PIP award review or WCA reassessment. We will make these changes as soon as possible, so that they apply in the current system and as well as in the reformed system.”

    It appears that this will be introduced in separate legislation to the bill imposing the 4-point PIP rule, but at the same time. 

    This is a move that is likely to be welcomed by most MPs. But as the government had already said they would make this change “as soon as possible” it is, at best, a very minor concession.

    Protections for the most vulnerable

    According to the Guardian, Kendall has said there will be “non-negotiable” protections for the most vulnerable benefits recipients on the face of the welfare reform bill, when it is published next week.

    Para 42 of the Green Paper explains that:

    “. . . for those receiving the new reduced UC health element after April 2026, we are proposing that those with the most severe, life-long health conditions, who have no prospect of improvement and will never be able to work, will see their incomes protected through an additional premium.[  We will also guarantee that for both new and existing claims, those in this group will not need to be reassessed in future”

    (Note: the additional premium will not be payable to current claimants as they will not have their LCWRA element reduced in the same way as new claimants from April 2026).  This very probably – though not definitely - means that the DWP severe conditions criteria are to be put into law. 

    These are guidelines already used by the DWP to reduce the need for reassessment of universal credit claimants who have been found to have limited capability for work related activity (LCWRA) and whose condition will not improve.

    How the severe conditions criteria work

    A clamant has to meet one of the LCWRA criteria.  You can find a list of the criteria here.

    In addition, all of the following criteria need to be met:

    The level of function would always meet LCWRA.  So, conditions that vary in severity may not meet this requirement.

    It must be a lifelong condition, once diagnosed.   So, conditions which might be cured by transplant/ surgery/treatments or conditions which might resolve will not meet this requirement. This should be based on currently available treatment on the NHS.

    No realistic prospect of recovery of function.  So, for example, a person within the first 12 months following a significant stroke may recover function during rehabilitation, and would thus probably not be eligible.

    Unambiguous condition. A recognised medical diagnosis must have been made.

    If a claimant meets all these criteria they will be classed as having a severe, lifelong health condition and will not be subject to reassessment.

    You can find further details of the severe conditions criteria in the WCA Handbook.

    However, this provision was already set out in the Green Paper and due to be introduced by April 2026, in any case.  So it seems to be less of a concession and more of an earlier inclusion in the legislation than had been planned.

    Money Bill

    Putting this concession “on the face of the bill” may have one important effect, however. Elsewhere, we have discussed the possibility that Labour will seek to make its bill a money bill, meaning it cannot be altered by the House of Lords.

    However, if the clearly non-financial severe conditions criteria are put in the bill, this would seem to make it less likely that this would be an option for Labour.

    Will these concessions be enough?

    None of these concessions affect the main issue that Labour rebels are unhappy about, the removal of the standard rate of the daily living component of PIP from hundreds of thousands of claimants.

    So, it seems unlikely that many will be swayed by what are fairly token offers, especially as two of them were to be introduced anyway.

    However, Kendall appears to have confirmed that the controversial bill will be published next week and so the first vote is likely to take place at the beginning of July, come what may.  (There’s more on how the bill will progress here).

    So, we won’t have long to wait before we find out.

    In the meantime, it might be worth letting your MP know whether these concessions will make a significant difference to your own circumstances, because it is now all about the battle for the support of potentially rebellious MPs.

    As Guardian columnist Francis Ryan pointed out: “If you see briefings like this in the coming days and maybe think “I’ve heard this before”, remember that Kendall is not trying to inform the worried public - she’s trying to woo rebellious backbencher. That’s what the next few weeks are about for ministers.”

    And for claimants and campaigners too.

    Latest news on PIP/UC changes

    What’s changing, when

    What you can do

    New PIP test

    https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/will-kendall%E2%80%99s-concessions-win-over-labour-rebels

  • Topcat71
    Topcat71 Online Community Member Posts: 147 Empowering

    When I watch anything to do with these proposed changes they talk about money first. Never say about Disability and helping those in need first. A few hundred people are about to ruin over a million people lives so that they can say at the next election we saved this amount. They are the worse mp in history.

  • Martinp
    Martinp Online Community Member Posts: 206 Empowering

    They have made it perfectly clear they don’t see disabled people as part of society, they will in a couple of years begin to see a lot more of us on the streets and homeless, I hope when they do see us they feel like the scum they are.