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But if Starmer has enough MPs voting for the bill including Tory’s then the same will vote the amendment down. I don’t see the point of it then or am I missing something as I don’t know much about it

Kind of looks like we are doomed

I don't think so not now

who says they support getting rid of welfare i certainly do not want reform in nowhere did i mention that i want rid of welfare what i said was its looking likely that reform might win the next general election and they want to cut welfare by 15 billion or get rid of it all together

Hi yogi ,

Any idea about kemi ? She’s apparently said she’ll support the bill if Starmer agrees to her terms but on bbc news she said it’s not up to her to get his bill through.

If anyone is on X look at Stef Benstead's page. There is an updated list of who has signed the reasoned amendment.

I know it's a while ago, but in the Westminster Hall debate early last month started by Diane Abbot, Conservative Danny Kruger said his party would stand with those who oppose the changes (tho this debate was about PIP).

As @YogiBear mentioned, Kemi Badenoch said about her 3 conditions:

'The first condition is that the welfare budget is too high, it needs to come down. This bill does not do that.

The second condition is that we need to get people back into work. Unemployment is rising, jobs are disappearing, and even the government’s own impact assessments say that the package in this bill will not get people back to work.

The third is that we want to see no new tax rises in the autumn.'

The welfare budget likely does need to come down, but Kemi is simply saying this bill won't do this; she's not saying any cuts should be harsher.

She's also saying that this bill will not significantly increase the number of unemployed [disabled] people ending up gainfully employed, as we all know.

It's all a bit of political shenanigans that will allow the Tory's to vote how they wish. What I've heard from Rishi Sunak & from Kemi Badenoch's office, with a message from her, gives me hope. At worst, with the Tories being in opposition, they'll not be wanting to make things easy for Labour!

Don't give up hope.

I'm not on X, can anyone screenshot it?

Hi chiarieds,

I read somewhere earlier, can’t remember where , about ME being classed as a fluctuating condition therefore not eligible for the scc as its only for conditions they can’t have periods of remission . Although my ME has never been in remission for a single day .
Kemi has also given an interview on bbc news stating it’s not up to her to save starmers bill . Not sure if it was taken out of context though. My brains not working after all this so hope I make sense