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You are not missing anything. I think Labour rebels have been counting on Tory support. Tonight demonstrated how much is up to Kemi B. The Second Reading is a week away. A long time. Perhaps there will be more names coming forward against the cuts.
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Kind of looks like we are doomed
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Thank you zipz,
The amendment doesn’t seem so important then 🤷♀️
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Is there any chance of stopping it completely?
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I don't think so not now
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>get rid of welfare all together
Lol. Any disabled person who unironically supports that is signing their own death warrant.
Social security is what keeps disabled people alive (not to mention a functioning society).
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who says they support getting rid of welfare i certainly do not want reform in nowhere did i mention that i want rid of welfare what i said was its looking likely that reform might win the next general election and they want to cut welfare by 15 billion or get rid of it all together
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Pippa Crerar - The Guardian X page recently posted this.
Welfare Rebellion latest:-
123 Labour MPs have now signed the rebel amendment, up from 108 (plus 11 opposition MPs). I'm told that one MP has withdrawn their name, while 16 new MPs have added theirs, despite attempts by cabinet ministers & whips to win them over.Next week's vote remains big problem for Starmer.
All the 11 MPs from opposition parties who have signed the rebel amendement are from Northern Ireland.Another rebel tells me the amendment has yet more supporters who have decided not to sign, meaning the scale of the rebellion could be even larger.
p.s. My MP came good.👍️
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Hi yogi ,
Any idea about kemi ? She’s apparently said she’ll support the bill if Starmer agrees to her terms but on bbc news she said it’s not up to her to get his bill through.
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I'm sorry I haven't saw anything new on Kemi.
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If anyone is on X look at Stef Benstead's page. There is an updated list of who has signed the reasoned amendment.
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In answer to your question. First, the Speaker decides whether a reasoned amendment will be allowed. If he allows it, he looks at all the amendments suggested by MPs, but he will choose only one for debate and a vote.
If MPs vote in favour of the reasoned amendment, the Bill is stopped at this early stage and does not go any further during that Parliament. The official reasons for rejecting the bill are also formally recorded, so everyone can see why it was blocked.
If MPs vote against the reasoned amendment, the Bill carries on through its normal stages.
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You asked if I think we still have a chance. Two weeks ago, we could only have imagined what happened last night, more than one hundred MP's standing up to the government and calling for change.
That kind of momentum might not stop the bill entirely, but I believe it will lead to serious changes. That is progress. That is hope.
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I know it's a while ago, but in the Westminster Hall debate early last month started by Diane Abbot, Conservative Danny Kruger said his party would stand with those who oppose the changes (tho this debate was about PIP).
As @YogiBear mentioned, Kemi Badenoch said about her 3 conditions:
'The first condition is that the welfare budget is too high, it needs to come down. This bill does not do that.
The second condition is that we need to get people back into work. Unemployment is rising, jobs are disappearing, and even the government’s own impact assessments say that the package in this bill will not get people back to work.
The third is that we want to see no new tax rises in the autumn.'
The welfare budget likely does need to come down, but Kemi is simply saying this bill won't do this; she's not saying any cuts should be harsher.
She's also saying that this bill will not significantly increase the number of unemployed [disabled] people ending up gainfully employed, as we all know.
It's all a bit of political shenanigans that will allow the Tory's to vote how they wish. What I've heard from Rishi Sunak & from Kemi Badenoch's office, with a message from her, gives me hope. At worst, with the Tories being in opposition, they'll not be wanting to make things easy for Labour!
Don't give up hope.
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@chiarieds Thank you for your reassuring posts. My MP has signed this evening. I would've been shocked if he hadn't.
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I'm not on X, can anyone screenshot it?
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Not to sure how to screenshot.😀
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Hi chiarieds,
I read somewhere earlier, can’t remember where , about ME being classed as a fluctuating condition therefore not eligible for the scc as its only for conditions they can’t have periods of remission . Although my ME has never been in remission for a single day .
Kemi has also given an interview on bbc news stating it’s not up to her to save starmers bill . Not sure if it was taken out of context though. My brains not working after all this so hope I make sense0
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