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I read it as being 2 systems … existing claimants and those new ones after Nov 26 being assessed with the new criteria. ?

Or is my wife right … "for an intelligient man … you really are thick sometimes …"

From the Guardian

Disability rights campaigners urge Labour MPs to keep fighting 'impending disaster' welfare bill

Mencap, the learning disability charity, issued a statement overnight welcoming the government’s U-turn on the welfare bill. But it has now issued an expanded statement saying it is still concerned about the legislation.

Jackie O’Sullivan, executive director of strategy and influence at the charity, said:

We are encouraged that campaigners have been heard in their opposition to the planned cuts. But we fear that if, from next year, new claimants for Pip face different rules, there will be a generational divide in the quality of life for people with a learning disability.

Other groups representing the disabled, and their carers, have also restated their opposition to the government’s plans, despite the big concessions announced overnight. I posted some comments from this sector at 11.30am. Here are more organisations speaking out.

The Disability Benefits Consortium, a coalition of more than 100 disability charities, issued a statement saying:

These supposed ‘concessions’ to the cuts bill are just a desperate attempt to rush through a disastrous piece of legislation. By pushing the cuts onto future claimants, the government are betraying the next generation of disabled people. Why should someone who needs support to wash in 2025 be entitled to Pip, but not someone who has the same needs in 2035?

If the bill passes in its revised form, it will still push more people into poverty and worsen people’s health. We urge MPs to use their power to stop this impending disaster. The bill must be stopped in its tracks.

Tim Nicholls, assistant director of policy, research and strategy at the National Autistic Society, said: “

It should not have taken this much pressure to get the government to listen and step back from some of their damaging proposals. Today’s announcement will address some of the fear many autistic people who currently receive Pip felt about losing vital support that makes their daily life more manageable. But autistic people who might need Pip in the future, like autistic children who will become autistic adults, will still be fearful about where they fit in this two-tier system …

The government should do the right thing: hit ‘pause'’ on these changes and let disabled people have a meaningful say on the future of disability benefits. We won’t stop campaigning until the benefits system truly works for autistic people.

And Helen Walker, chief executive at Carers UK, said:

The government has agreed to protect existing claimants on PIP. This will be a huge relief for unpaid carers whose income via carer’s allowance is reliant on the person they care for receiving a relevant disability benefit such as the daily living component of Pip. Many have increased costs and face significant financial challenges because of their caring roles.

It’s important that the government has listened and made changes, but we remain deeply concerned about future carers. Around 12,000 people become an unpaid carer every day in the UK. The bill as it stands will still include the new four-point rule for Pip and doesn’t change the fact that many new claimants will lose out – it still represents a reduction in financial support and a bleak outlook for future carers who won’t be entitled.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2025/jun/27/welfare-bill-cuts-labour-conservatives-keir-starmer-uk-politics-latest-news-updates?

She’s sly , trying to play both sides till she works out how best to use the situation. None of them have any real convictions. We are just tools to get their own way .

Once she’s ousted I’ll email her 😂

Lib Dem’s are voting against. I wouldn’t be shocked if it gets voted down. Then he’s finished

If we were all as stupid as Keir thinks we are, then surely none of us would be caable of holding down or even getting a job!

Hi MW, so glad we are on the same page with this. Too many are jumping up and down thinking we have won, we have won nothing really. Its a ploy to make us believe we are getting all these concessions, we will be protected as the new rules will not apply to us. Mark my word, this will not be the case, even if this Government back down a little the next will not, plus has no one thought that to claw back the money they will just make everything much harder and we wont even know they are doing it, this is not going away. We still have so so far to go to even begin to think we have ''won''. The whole thing should be scrapped, all of it, why are folk not considering this. I am sorry, I will not sugar coat my feelings, this will all end in disaster for all especially those younger than me or those who suffer the agony of mental health conditions.

I am guessing not for us 😠

Think we might be in the minority with those thoughts today alex, unfortunately 😊

I don't know if to start my own thread or not because I cannot seem to find any message from scope so maybe I am missing something.

I am trying to find out what exactly does the announcement mean today. So, if someone is on pip now and their renewal comes up next July what does it mean to them. Are they part of the changes or not. It seems starmer has used clever words but it is not clear,

Can someone give me some advice please.

If we currently receive PIP does a review render us as new claimants until a decision is made?

If so, nothing has changed at all.

Thank you

The concessions are not great. I feel the government are pitting new claimants coming down the line against current ones. Everyone should be assessed under the one criteria. It's going to become a two tier system. Every disabled person should be treated fairly.