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  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    But we don’t know the small details yet . They’ve actually said it won’t affect current claimants after November 26 and will only then affect new claimants. They seem so far to have made that clear. We are already protected till next year as everyone is so they can’t claim this is a new concession as it’s not . They’ve said we will be assessed under current rules. What we need to be mindful of is the length of award . My assessor apart from steering me towards the 2 points when in my form I should have gotten 4 points she also awarded me 2 years . That can be classed as a short award that isn’t reviewed it just stops and you apply a fresh claim. That was even though I have incurable conditions which she was knowledgeable of . Luckily the dwp increased it to 3 years . That’s where the assessors will try and catch us out .IMO

  • ashmere
    ashmere Community Member Posts: 80 Empowering

    From the Guardian

    Disability rights campaigners urge Labour MPs to keep fighting 'impending disaster' welfare bill

    Mencap, the learning disability charity, issued a statement overnight welcoming the government’s U-turn on the welfare bill. But it has now issued an expanded statement saying it is still concerned about the legislation.

    Jackie O’Sullivan, executive director of strategy and influence at the charity, said:

    We are encouraged that campaigners have been heard in their opposition to the planned cuts. But we fear that if, from next year, new claimants for Pip face different rules, there will be a generational divide in the quality of life for people with a learning disability.

    Other groups representing the disabled, and their carers, have also restated their opposition to the government’s plans, despite the big concessions announced overnight. I posted some comments from this sector at 11.30am. Here are more organisations speaking out.

    The Disability Benefits Consortium, a coalition of more than 100 disability charities, issued a statement saying:

    These supposed ‘concessions’ to the cuts bill are just a desperate attempt to rush through a disastrous piece of legislation. By pushing the cuts onto future claimants, the government are betraying the next generation of disabled people. Why should someone who needs support to wash in 2025 be entitled to Pip, but not someone who has the same needs in 2035?

    If the bill passes in its revised form, it will still push more people into poverty and worsen people’s health. We urge MPs to use their power to stop this impending disaster. The bill must be stopped in its tracks.

    Tim Nicholls, assistant director of policy, research and strategy at the National Autistic Society, said: “

    It should not have taken this much pressure to get the government to listen and step back from some of their damaging proposals. Today’s announcement will address some of the fear many autistic people who currently receive Pip felt about losing vital support that makes their daily life more manageable. But autistic people who might need Pip in the future, like autistic children who will become autistic adults, will still be fearful about where they fit in this two-tier system …

    The government should do the right thing: hit ‘pause'’ on these changes and let disabled people have a meaningful say on the future of disability benefits. We won’t stop campaigning until the benefits system truly works for autistic people.

    And Helen Walker, chief executive at Carers UK, said:

    The government has agreed to protect existing claimants on PIP. This will be a huge relief for unpaid carers whose income via carer’s allowance is reliant on the person they care for receiving a relevant disability benefit such as the daily living component of Pip. Many have increased costs and face significant financial challenges because of their caring roles.

    It’s important that the government has listened and made changes, but we remain deeply concerned about future carers. Around 12,000 people become an unpaid carer every day in the UK. The bill as it stands will still include the new four-point rule for Pip and doesn’t change the fact that many new claimants will lose out – it still represents a reduction in financial support and a bleak outlook for future carers who won’t be entitled.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2025/jun/27/welfare-bill-cuts-labour-conservatives-keir-starmer-uk-politics-latest-news-updates?

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    I think so but starmer must be worried. MPs not all happy with the concessions and I wouldn’t be surprised if Tory’s voted against now

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    She’s sly , trying to play both sides till she works out how best to use the situation. None of them have any real convictions. We are just tools to get their own way .

    Once she’s ousted I’ll email her 😂

    Lib Dem’s are voting against. I wouldn’t be shocked if it gets voted down. Then he’s finished

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    Regarding uc migration it’s not as bad as you think . Just don’t apply on a day you’ll be covered by the legacy benefits you get now . I applied on the Friday before my esa was due on the following Monday so there was an overlap. That was fine but I asked for rent to be paid directly to council so now the council messed it up and I’m out of pocket. The uc side has been fine though

  • onlymeagain
    onlymeagain Community Member Posts: 259 Empowering

    If we were all as stupid as Keir thinks we are, then surely none of us would be caable of holding down or even getting a job!

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    Does it fit criteria as a money bill though ? I don’t think he’s out of the woods as he thinks he is

  • AppleJacks
    AppleJacks Posts: 89 Empowering

    The right balance for whom?.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd78vyl3yvlo

  • mrsBB
    mrsBB Community Member Posts: 297 Empowering
  • alex25
    alex25 Community Member Posts: 21 Contributor

    This is undoubtedly a stitch up. Let’s face it, there’s zero detail and many more questions now. 

    No detail, no consultation, obfuscation with the parliamentary process and a press that’s briefed to make it look like the government is sympathetic. What kind of democracy is this?

  • mrsBB
    mrsBB Community Member Posts: 297 Empowering

    Think we might be in the minority with those thoughts today alex, unfortunately 😊

  • alex25
    alex25 Community Member Posts: 21 Contributor
  • happyman
    happyman Community Member Posts: 102 Empowering

    I don't know if to start my own thread or not because I cannot seem to find any message from scope so maybe I am missing something.

    I am trying to find out what exactly does the announcement mean today. So, if someone is on pip now and their renewal comes up next July what does it mean to them. Are they part of the changes or not. It seems starmer has used clever words but it is not clear,

  • Danny123
    Danny123 Community Member Posts: 229 Empowering

    So when will the people on ESA / UC but no pip finally know what's happening 😡

  • LouCie61
    LouCie61 Community Member Posts: 98 Empowering

    Can someone give me some advice please.

    If we currently receive PIP does a review render us as new claimants until a decision is made?

    If so, nothing has changed at all.

    Thank you

  • ricky1040
    ricky1040 Community Member Posts: 233 Empowering

    Ok so currently I get pip enhanced rate both parts and cont based ESA with severe disability premium.

    With regard to these concessions would I be classed as a new claimant when I migrate to credit or not?

    Further it's nice that I won't be subject to the changes but it's so so unfair that any future people in the same situation as many of us now will be treated differently.

    Surely it's not lawful.

  • YogiBear
    YogiBear Community Member Posts: 410 Pioneering

    The concessions are not great. I feel the government are pitting new claimants coming down the line against current ones. Everyone should be assessed under the one criteria. It's going to become a two tier system. Every disabled person should be treated fairly.

  • Albus_Alumni
    Albus_Alumni Scope alumni Posts: 11,373 Championing

    Hey folks. To keep things neater, we'll be closing this discussion now, but we encourage everyone to continue the conversation over on the Scopes response discussion.

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