Scope's reply to the governments planned concessions to the green paper.

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  • alexroda
    alexroda Online Community Member Posts: 377 Trailblazing

    IMO it doesn’t matter what they say now/concessions, the whole bill needs to be scrapped and start again from scratch with the disabled community.

    You can’t have a person becoming disabled in 2027 who will live in poverty for the rest of his/her life. It’s criminal.

  • mawempathy
    mawempathy Online Community Member Posts: 150 Empowering

    The minor issue seems to be the revised PIP descriptors will apply to all claimants, current and new. But I don't think we can create a two-tier system based on date claim.

  • alexroda
    alexroda Online Community Member Posts: 377 Trailblazing

    if they are planning on changing the descriptors then there’s no need for this bill.

    Just start working on that alongside the disabled community.

  • mawempathy
    mawempathy Online Community Member Posts: 150 Empowering

    Work on the review of PIP assessments/descriptors will conclude in autumn this year, as per written statement from Liz Kendall.

  • mawempathy
    mawempathy Online Community Member Posts: 150 Empowering

    Changing the assessments/descriptors forms part of the reform bill. They need to pass this in order to advance whatever they want to do later.

  • Zipz
    Zipz Online Community Member Posts: 4,351 Championing

    Conclude! They haven't let the grass grow have they? What happened to the promise of working with disabled people?

  • JasonRA
    JasonRA Online Community Member Posts: 313 Championing
  • mawempathy
    mawempathy Online Community Member Posts: 150 Empowering

    Lizzy is speaking now.

  • chiarieds
    chiarieds Online Community Member Posts: 17,439 Championing
    edited June 2025

    Stephen Timms explanation of Welform Reform to MPs today: https://data.parliament.uk/DepositedPapers/Files/DEP2025-0432/DCL-Welfare_Reform.pdf

    Timms Review of the PIP Assessment:

    https://qna.files.parliament.uk/ws-attachments/1817526/original/Timms%20Review%20of%20the%20PIP%20Assessment.pdf

    Hi @Rosie_Scope - can you change the 2nd link into a hyperlink please

  • Rosie_Scope
    Rosie_Scope Posts: 8,296 Scope Online Community Coordinator

    All done for you @chiarieds ☺️

  • Karl99
    Karl99 Online Community Member Posts: 15 Contributor

    Still absolutely no mention of CB-ESA support group. Disgusting!!!

  • Martinp
    Martinp Online Community Member Posts: 249 Empowering
  • Ross1975
    Ross1975 Online Community Member Posts: 973 Championing
    edited June 2025

    I'm unsure how things are going to work when PIP is what you have to claim for to get the UC health element when the WCA is scrapped. If PIP daily living is the gateway to the UC health element and you get enough points for this in daily living then I'm guessing you'll be left alone and get LCWRA money, but would you get PIP money as well?

    Will it be possible to only get LCWRA money, to only get PIP money, and to get both?

  • JasonRA
    JasonRA Online Community Member Posts: 313 Championing

    You can rest assured that they'll make it so damn difficult to by able to claim this "health element" from 2028 onwards, it will be absolute chaos.

  • mawempathy
    mawempathy Online Community Member Posts: 150 Empowering

    You need to get enough points for DLA in PIP to get the new UC health element. So you either get both payments, or neither. They are incentivising a lot more people to try and get PIP, but, of course, they are tightening the screws on eligibility to make it much more difficult.

  • alexroda
    alexroda Online Community Member Posts: 377 Trailblazing

    The whole thing is now rushed through with no clear indication on what the proposals are.

    MPs need to vote this down and start afresh. There are people life’s on the line.

  • alexroda
    alexroda Online Community Member Posts: 377 Trailblazing

    some good news:

    Debbie Abrahams, the Labour chair of the work and pensions committee and the second signatory on Meg Millier’s reasoned amendment against the welfare bill, has said she cannot support the bill, despite the concessions, ITV’s Romilly Weeks reports. She has posted on social media.

    NEW: Debbie Abrahams one of 3 MPs to negotiate the welfare concessions with No 10 says they do not go far enough @ITVNewsPolitics

    She says the government rowed back on what had been negotiated and in the current form she will not be supporting the bill

    This is even more of a mess for the government than first thought. A costly u turn that might yet not get them off the hook

  • mawempathy
    mawempathy Online Community Member Posts: 150 Empowering

    These reforms that are causing so much angst and distress will save less than the amount projected to be increased spending on asylum in the next 1-2 years.

  • Stellar
    Stellar Online Community Member Posts: 409 Pioneering

    because experts will call Starver et al. out on their fundamentally unwelcome ****. its the same reason Brexit happened.

  • Ross1975
    Ross1975 Online Community Member Posts: 973 Championing
    edited June 2025

    Ah okay, I'm on LCWRA but not PIP at the moment, so when everything's rolled into PIP and I get reassessed I'll either end up on no money at all or more than what I'm on now.

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