Scope's reply to the governments planned concessions to the green paper.
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Neither Kendall nor Timms on the front bench ….. so much for listening!!!
Who agrees they will be in the corridors of WM, bullying (Kendall) or bribing (Timms) first-termers into voting for their appalling bill?
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Watching parliament tv , mps are speaking out against it
Tories against it because it not tough enough. Lots of Labour, Liberal s, independents are against it. Saying they are rushing it through, they need to consult disability groups. And start again. Balancing reeves disastrous budget. That disability people are paying the price
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Dr Marie Tidball's speech was particularly emotional. Wow.
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Hi Albus, I was wondering what scope and other organisations are proposing for a fairer system as the system is broken it has been for many years and in reality there is not a continuing pot of gold for payments. Especially when people paying taxes is dwindling. The millionaire and billionaire are leaving the uk for pastures greener so they don’t have to keep contributing to such systems. I have been on PIP for some years and the system has always stressed me out and given me anxiety when it came to the assessment and reassessment. Is there really a better and fairer system or in reality will there always be winners and losers in the benefit system.
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the link won’t open but they’re offering another concession
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Hi @frozenpelvis Scope have put forward a number of campaigns in support of preventing cuts. 🙂 Most recently, we released the following in conjunction with a large number of other charities - Joint civil society statement on the UC & PIP Bill | Disability charity Scope UK. which will hopefully help answer your questions. Also, see Over 100,000 say no to benefit cuts | Disability charity Scope UK.
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Hi all. Just a quick note to draw your attention to this chat if I may - Welfare Reform Vote Discussion 💜 — Scope | Online Community
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She had me in tears.
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Beth Rigby reporting on X recently.
Looks like another major concession on the way as govt looks to get the welfare vote across the line. Understand (as per@jessicaelgot) that any changes on PIP eligibility will wait until Timms review (due to report in autumn 2026)0 -
So why not wait for the vote ? Since when was it procedure to do these things backwards
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In the guardian it mentions things could change once Timms looks at the descriptors and could make them harder . That’s why they want the vote first. I reckon if they can get away with it they’ll make the 4 point descriptors what are currently 8 points and the 2 points what are now 4? Points. Obviously word it differently but we will still be on the 4? Points and new claimants need to get what now is equivalent to a an 8 imo
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Scrap it now 🤯 All of these shenanigans are just a ploy, we are not fools, we know what is going on behind closed doors, private conversations pertaining to ''oh, give them this now - we will claw it all back with sizable interest'', believe me this will be happening right now.
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Timms should be replaced as disabled minister. He is a disgrace. Richard Burgon would be great, he has been campaigning against it from the start.
Have you notice how many mps are on their phones during debates. Especially when people are talking. Kier Starmer I noticed starts writing in his folder when someone is speaking against him
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The Telegraph lately has been nothing but hate for a wide range of groups, not just disabled people. They are the ones who also offered the calculator for tax payers to work out how much of their money was going on 'scroungers' and who call bigotry 'patriotism' on giant billboards across London.
They are also read by some of the richer, more priveleged, higher earning right-leaning people in our society. I have genuinely seen people on the comments pages there complaining about losing tax from their six figure salaries to support benefit claimants (insert various stereotyped slurs here).In other words, we can't beat the Telegraph's bias, the best we can do is ignore it and fight on.
Though it irks me that they called autism mental health. Autism is not mental health. Treating it as a mental health condition rather than a neurodevelopmental disorder with cognitive, functioning, processing and sensory challenges is one of the reasons there is not enough proper support out there. (And a reason why many autistic people have mental health problems). This really gets to me because so long as they consider autism itself to be mental health related, nobody is interested in exploring the real causes of higher MH diagnoses in autistic people. And that is a failing created by avoidable ignorance.
On a better note, some powerful speakers in the chamber today. What strikes me is that nobody actually likes the bill. Some say it's not going far enough, some that it's not going anywhere. But nobody is there saying, wow, this is great. That's surely not a good sign for the govt trying to implement it going forward?
I've also seen the report about potential additional concessions re Timms' report:
"The Work and Pensions Minister Sir Stephen Timms is expected to tell MPs that the timing of the eligibility changes to the personal independence payment (Pip) will now take account of the findings of the review that Timms is to lead."
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So many things wrong with these politicians.
they want to ban mobiles for kids at school but they use it themselves when they should be listening to their colleagues.Do as you are told, I know what’s good for you but I won’t do it myself.
Mobiles should be banned from the House of Commons, so disrespectful.
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Richard Burgon and Vicky Foxcroft would be great contenders for Timm's job.
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BREAKING
The government has delayed the implementation of the welfare reforms
They were due to come into effect in November 2026
They will now come into effect after the conclusion of a review by Stephen Timms, the welfare minister
The four-point rule - the subject of so much contention - has been entirely removed from the legislation
It's a massive, massive u-turn
Taken from x.com - https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1940084812871618606
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So what will be left ?
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Removing the clause pertaining to the 4 point rule means it will now be part of the Timms review - presumably without any commitments to protect current claimants. So overall probably a good concession in terms of fairness, but it will leave everyone wondering again how they might be affected.
Also clear once Labour loses the next election, the next government is going to shred almost all disability support for mental health conditions. Tory MP's are saying it was a mistake to make physical and mental health equal in terms of equalities legislation.
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Did you read the part on the guardian that mentioned Timms review and said we will all probably fall under his revised activities and descriptors . That’s what the rebels needs to focus on . If they can get away with it they’ll just make it impossible for us all to pass that way . 4 points or 2 points it won’t matter
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