PIP and hearings aids
honeyhoney
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Hi all
Can hearing aids be used in Food Preparation activities as aids or appilances?
I can't hear the alarm when I'm in the kitchen without them?
I can't hear the alarm when I'm in the kitchen without them?
I'm starting to understand that this whole PIP process is a "play on words"
I tried to use real-life examples in my application, hoping that the assessor would come to appropriate conclusions, but so far it has not worked.
It would be nice if any hearing aid users could shed some light on the descriptors.
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Well I wear my hearing aids when I'm at work and there are always lots of people chatting and music playing and I can always hear the bell at the back door of my work and it's right out the back of the store I hope this helps0
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Thanks @tracy19741
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No problem I hope it has helped0
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To be honest, my brain doesn't work well due to mental problems.tracy1974 said:No problem I hope it has helped
I have to figure it all out.
I am at the MR stage and I have to pass it by January 11, 2024. I hope I'll be on time
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I wish you the very best of luck with everything you are doing ❤️1
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Thank you @yanni for the valuable post and link. It will definitely help me a lot.
I actually started studying the whole process from scratch with guide 2.1 for assessors
If I fully understand it and come to the conclusion that I qualify for PIP,
I will continue with my MR. 0 -
one more thing came to my mind, after reading the "guide"... if there is a gas boiler in my kitchen,
I cannot hear the CO alarm without hearing aids, therefore the hearing aid should be treated as an aid because carbon monoxide is odorless... Do I think right ?0 -
Hello honeyhoneyThe activity of preparing a meal involves preparing OR cooking a simple meal at waist height.You need to do this "Reliably" and that is safely, repeatedly, in a reasonable time and to an acceptable standard.So if you need to use timers in the kitchen to help with food cooking times then you might be awarded 2 points for needing to use the aid of a timer for people with hearing problems to cook a meal to an acceptable standard. https://www.deaftalk.co.uk/for-deaf-timer-alerts.htmOf course it depends on your limitations but this is just an a idea and something to think about and there maybe other aids that could also help you around the kitchen.Nasturtium0
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Thanks @nasturtium for the suggestions and link. It will definitely be useful.I have to write my MR as a completely NEW claim.I just got the HP report but I'm not going to take all the nonsense that is written there: such as:
I CANT't cook I CAN't use a gas stove but I CAN peel vegetables sitting down and use a microwave,
and then it recommends "zero"after all, the microwave and the stool are AIDS so I should recommend 2 pointsI think I also made a few "stylistic" mistakes in my application, i.e. I based it on examples from my life, just like WCA.
I just checked the box and wrote down what happened to me, that's all. No emphasis on safety, acceptable standard etc.The only thing I still need is some light on how to formulate it stylistically:My thinking is this:1. because of XYZ....2. on average 4/7 days a week3. I am unable to perform (ABC DESCRIPTOR)4. the last time I wanted to do (ABC DESCRYPTOR) it happened (real life examples)5. the above clearly shows that I cannot execute (ABC DESCRIPTOR)it would be nice if someone guided me how to formulate these answers, because now I see the differences between WCA and PIP0 -
I don't think there's any formula for writing a MR. The important thing to do, as you have been doing, is describe your recent anecdotal evidence (i.e. at the time of your assessment, or just prior), in your own words, & if you cannot do any of the descriptors 'reliably.'Yanni has also raised the same points as I, that due to severe hearing loss then you should consider both the 'washing & bathing' & 'planning a journey' descriptors. I'm also pleased you have been looking at the PIP assessment guide part 2 (the section on 'reliability' especially I'm sure you'll have found helpful).As you've mentioned, you should normally say if you have problems the majority of days, which could be 4 days a week, but, with some, the safety aspect is more important such as you've already written about with the 'preparing food' descriptor. It would be unusual if you burnt food several days a week, but this incident describes what potential harm could occur. Similarly when washing & bathing it would be unusual for a smoke alarm to go off several times a week which you'd fail to hear, but the potential of harm to yourself is there every time unless you have supervision.I wouldn't mention point 5. personally as it's up to the decision maker to literally decide.0
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Thanks @chiarieds I'm starting to understand what "Reliability" (I am reading this guide) means and why the assessor uses the word 'STAR' in his report"S"afely "T"o an "A"cceptable standard "R"epeatedlyI also know what descriptors to refer toMy question is rather (I don't know if I'll express it correctly because of my English)
from a technical point of view.
How to start each descriptor e.gActivity 1, preparing food"I need supervising to prepare a simple meal because without it... "Then explain why and give real life examplesis that correct ?0 -
I'd suggest, I disagree with the decision to not award me points for x descriptor. (You are doing amazingly well as English is not your first language). Then go on as to why you disagree, & exactly why you feel you should have been awarded points.You're perhaps overthinking.... there's no right way to do this other than the words you feel most comfortable using. Keep giving those real world anecdotal incidences to illustrate the difficulties you face.0
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chiarieds said:I'd suggest, I disagree with the decision to not award me points for x descriptor. (You are doing amazingly well as English is not your first language). Then go on as to why you disagree, & exactly why you feel you should have been awarded points.You're perhaps overthinking.... there's no right way to do this other than the words you feel most comfortable using. Keep giving those real world anecdotal incidences to illustrate the difficulties you face.Thanks, that's exactly the answer I was looking for... if it's about English, at least I understand hmmm 95% of what is written without translation,
but Google helps me a bit when typing it in too little practice
Besides, during 20 years of working in the UK as a forklift driver, I didn't have much time to write poems... although 12 years ago I passed and I have an adult level 2 certificate in English and Maths0 -
chiarieds said:I'd suggest, I disagree with the decision to not award me points for x descriptor. (You are doing amazingly well as English is not your first language). Then go on as to why you disagree, & exactly why you feel you should have been awarded points.You're perhaps overthinking.... there's no right way to do this other than the words you feel most comfortable using. Keep giving those real world anecdotal incidences to illustrate the difficulties you face.Thanks, that's exactly the answer I was looking for... if it's about English, at least I understand hmmm 95% of what is written without translation,
but Google helps me a bit when typing it in too little practice... although 12 years ago I passed and I have an adult level 2 certificate in English and Maths0 -
A microwave isn't an aid but a perching stool will be. I also note from a previous comment you wrote what happened when using a kettle but a kettle isn't considered in the preparing a meal, same as carrying food or pans around the kitchen. Please try to keep it relevant to the PIP descriptors when wrting those real world incidents.
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Thanks poppy123456 I've read your advice many times, I even briefly read the "guide 2.1" you always link to.poppy123456 said:A microwave isn't an aid but a perching stool will be. I also note from a previous comment you wrote what happened when using a kettle but a kettle isn't considered in the preparing a meal, same as carrying food or pans around the kitchen. Please try to keep it relevant to the PIP descriptors when wrting those real world incidents.To be honest, 3 months ago I didn't know what PIP was. I did a "self-test" and it turned out that I can't do it, I can't do it, so I should applyAnd it was my mistake to focus only on my disabilities/diagnoses, which is not addressed to PIP at all.Currently, I started reading "Guide 2.1..." again, but this time "THE CAREFULLY"I read 1-2 pages a day, but the further I delve, the wider my eyes open and I begin to understand the nature of PIP.All in all, it doesn't seem that difficult IF YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT "RELIABILITY" MEANS.I come to the conclusion that:Understanding what RELIABILITY + meansSituations that have happened to you and which RELATE TO INDIVIDUAL DESCRIPTORS = SUCCESS0 -
The PIP self test isn't reliable at all unless you fully understand the PIP descriptors. The only time i will ever post a link to that is when someone has the assessment report and it's easier to work out any points that maybe recommended.It's not just the reliability, it's everything else you need to understand too.0
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poppy123456 said:It's not just the reliability, it's everything else you need to understand too.I know what you mean and I fully agree.It is not possible for an ordinary disabled person to obtain this award without the advice of a specialist. Unless he really takes the time to understand these complexities and pitfalls.
In my opinion, this whole process has been reduced to absurdity.
You have to treat it like, for example, a court hearing, where there is a battle of arguments between the parties, every word can be used against you.
The other side uses such arguments against you that you don't know whether to laugh or cry.
For example, an ordinary claimant (me) writes truthfully that I have problems managing my budget and gives specific examples of when
I did not pay bills or impulsively bought unnecessary things on the Internet.
And he tells me that although I haven't driven a car for 9 months due to my health,
but when I did drive I paid for fuel and that's why I don't have any problems NOW and "0"
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honeyhoney said:It is not possible for an ordinary disabled person to obtain this award without the advice of a specialist. Unless he really takes the time to understand these complexities and pitfalls.
I disagree. There's many people who successfully claim PIP without expert help.honeyhoney said:In my opinion, this whole process has been reduced to absurdity.
You have to treat it like, for example, a court hearing, where there is a battle of arguments between the parties, every word can be used against you.
It's important to remember that a Tribunal is not a court and you're not on trial. Some hearings are held in court buildings but that doesn't mean it's a court. If you go in thinking it's a battle of arguments then you're wrong because it's not.What you need to do is focus on the weakness in your evidence and not the strength of theirs.honeyhoney said:The other side uses such arguments against you that you don't know whether to laugh or cry.
For example, an ordinary claimant (me) writes truthfully that I have problems managing my budget and gives specific examples of when
This is why you need to put the assessment report to one side and forget about it because that isn't going to get you a PIP award. You're making it more complicated that what it really is.0 -
poppy123456 said:What you need to do is focus on the weakness in your evidence and not the strength of theirs"Golden thought" I've already seen it somewhereLet me put it this way... my obsession is not with getting this award at all costs, rather I want to learn and understand something along the way.I could take the easy route and approach an agency for help.I could base my MRI on my deafness. And concentrate on 3-4 descriptors.I currently have:- diagnosis (ENT)- audiologist's report (70 db)- hearing aids- a letter from a city council employee who was at my house- a certificate from my city council confirming that I am severely deaf.I could deliver all this to someone and pay, I think I would have a chance.But that's not the point, I want to do it myself, I want to understand it. Even if I to have to go to the tribunal.In my MR I will describe every descriptor that I think applies to me. Also following your advice, I want to rely on "anecdotal evidence" because it really makes sense to me.I just finished the first 2 descriptors.I did this:ONLY one sentence at the beginning and (reallife examples) and one sentence at the end.-----------------------------------------------------"Daily Living Component• Activity 1 – Preparing foodAT THE BEGINNING:
I am NOT safe. I have almost caused a fire, cut myself many times due to distraction, and I cannot focus on simple tasks in the kitchen that others find easy.THEN:
I gave details of 3 events that I experienced (it took me 1 and 1/2 pages in WordAND ON THE END:
I cannot perform this activity in a reliable manner and without the supervision of another person.Therefore, I believe I should score points for this activity"
----------------------------------------------------------That's all, I'm going to describe each activity anyway, we'll see what effect it will haveTo be honest, I don't expect the decision to change, but at least the work won't be wasted and it will be useful when the tribunal considers it0
