Job coaches for mentally ill in hospital settings - BBC

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  • MissMel
    MissMel Community member Posts: 89 Empowering

    Every jobcentre has a disability employment advisor as all public sector institutions have to have a named individual responsible for ensuring the statutory public sector equality and disability duty is exercised. It is not in the JCs. Disabled UC claimants are being abused, harassed and bullied and it is unlawful. Anyway, this individual is useless and is not an advocate for us. We are referred to them by our work coaches and they tell the work coach that we need to see the consultants, have diagnosis, start treatments, have therapies, counselling, have the surgeries, need the access to work equipment, and an array of things we are waiting for and can't access due to severe backlogs, i.e., exactly what we told the work coach.

    Coaching involves supporting people for their betterment, the role implies a need for empathy. JC work coaches are bullies who just put pressure on you. I can't see mental health workers being of any use as their roles will be belittled as is the role of the disability employment advisers in the JCs. The problem is, their role will be to get everyone off benefits fast. Their role should be to get people with MH issues, confident enough to pursue work and when they get it, maintain it and continue support in it.

    As I have mentioned before, these specialist services should be conducted by the charities, many of whom have links with the unions, industry, academics in universities who are specialists in these areas and could provide brilliant solutions, and health professionals who know exactly what is what. Also MH people should be consulted at every stage as well as to what provisions they believe would be better for them and the issues they have faced when in work, or looking with work. But of course, they are not.

    Despite Kate, Wills and Harry's attempts to destigmatise MH, the problem still exists.

    Support for the MH should not be provided by private companies run by individuals who are best mates with ministers and out to line their pockets whilst seemingly doing good for the social fund.

    Re the Conservatives, as someone mentioned above, Jenrick in bleating on about lowering disability benefits and alluding to the myth disabled people as social security scroungers:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0kjl8e0237o

    What an odious man!

  • Nightcity
    Nightcity Community member Posts: 1,172 Trailblazing

    well let's be grateful he won't get anywhere near power for a while

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Community member, Scope Member Posts: 2,079 Championing
    edited October 17

    MissMel,

    Job centres have used Disability Employment Advisors (DEA's) for years. I know this because I was first referred to one in 2008.

    They have harassed, bullied, abused me and acted unlawfully in my case since 2006. None of this is new. People simply didn't pay attention to what was legislated for by the Welfare Reform and Work Act 2016 which ensured it would get even worse for disabled claimants.

    So they have no skills or empathy which would help anyone in a mental health hospital. Patients are already offered and encouraged to engage in occupational therapy but this idea of turning us all into 'disabled job-seekers' was written into the UC Programme.

  • durhamjaide2001
    durhamjaide2001 Scope Member Posts: 11,367 Championing

    I'm going to put this to the assembly now and see what there thoughts are.

  • MissMel
    MissMel Community member Posts: 89 Empowering

    Back in the day when I use to sign on, they were responsible for helping the disabled get into work and all disabled claimants were under them and they had more sympathy than the generic work coaches we are all thrust upon these days. Yes, they too were nasty bullies but not of the scale of the present day work coaches.

    All who have never had an interview with a work coach have been blessed.

    My point is, I wouldn't trust anyone working in the JC, no matter what fancy title they are given.

  • durhamjaide2001
    durhamjaide2001 Scope Member Posts: 11,367 Championing

    following on from this we think it's a bad idea for work coaches to be in mental hospitals. However this could be on the discharge pathways when they are getting discharged depending on condition and must be person centred.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Community member Posts: 1,453 Pioneering

    What does it state in the uc pls yh makes sense what your saying is there anything we can do ?

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Community member, Scope Member Posts: 2,079 Championing
    edited October 17

    Back in the day when I use to sign on, they were responsible for helping the disabled get into work and all disabled claimants were under them and they had more sympathy than the generic work coaches we are all thrust upon these days. Yes, they too were nasty bullies but not of the scale of the present day work coaches.

    Yes, even after all my years challenging mandatory appointments and repeat referrals to Work Programme (3!), this new generation shocked me.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Community member, Scope Member Posts: 2,079 Championing
    edited October 17

    Catherine, only if enough other people scrutinise the (disastrous) Incapacity Benefit migration to ESA and the 2016 reforms will we understand what's happening through UC migration.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Community member Posts: 1,453 Pioneering

    No I think this is unacceptable noting will end up person centred it will end up applying to everyone not a fair system as it is I don't know anymore it seems everyone with MH thier targeting if they go to psychiatric wards there is no hope for anyone who suffers at home

  • MissMel
    MissMel Community member Posts: 89 Empowering

    @Catherine21 You asked what can we do. We can get on our knees and pray to Almighty God that all the policy and decision makers and those who they hold nearest and dearest get the worst forms of physical and mental illnesses so they too can understand how difficult it is for us to cope, let alone to work when in this state and how compounded the horrendous experience is when we are being constantly bombarded with demands to search for work, work or work even more. It seems a cruel prayer, but because they refuse to show an iota compassion, compunction, are lacking in humanity and understanding, and aren't even consulting us or the charities that support and advocate for us and all who suffer from our all our individual illnesses, I can't see another way forward.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Community member, Scope Member Posts: 2,079 Championing
    edited October 17

    Their logic is to help those claimants suffering at home by "inviting" them into the job centre and making referrals for even more support! If you're agoraphobic, this is their answer ๐Ÿ˜๏ธ

  • Grissom123
    Grissom123 Community member Posts: 48 Empowering

    I remember seeing her in parliament one time (i think it was when Reeves announced winter fuel cut), and the expression on her face was just...off. I can't explain it, but I just found her really unsettling. And it seems like I had good reason to.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Community member Posts: 1,453 Pioneering

    Ah this is why all rushed get certain amount off by time scales in future there will be alot of people taking them to court but that doesn't help in the long run seems to be targeting all MH cases i did read article of a guy who is deaf they didnt put reasonable adjustments for years they did this he took them to court and won 50 thousand whats happening with ECHR investigation??? Look up a lady ellen clifford she was taking tories to judical court over wca changes i wonder if she still will when labour do the same

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Community member Posts: 1,453 Pioneering

    Because labour will definitely do the same they want most off by 2028 2029

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Community member Posts: 1,453 Pioneering

    Have you emailed them won't make any difference will it

  • MissMel
    MissMel Community member Posts: 89 Empowering

    Legal challenges are costly, slow and exhausting and can adversely impact both the physical and mental welling of the complainant and only usually help the individual complainant that has the means to make the claim.

    Every second of every working hour a Jobcentre is open, and it's 9-6 Mondays to Saturdays for many JCs these days, someone's human rights or disability rights is being violated.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Community member Posts: 1,453 Pioneering
  • BrianMcFaddenFan82
    BrianMcFaddenFan82 Community member Posts: 66 Contributor

    @WhatThe I had a nicely lady disability employment advisor and she was really nice as she asked me what I preferred to be called and I'd told her and she'd started calling me by my preferred name. She explained everything to me so that I could understand what she was saying.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Community member, Scope Member Posts: 2,079 Championing

    That was my experience at my first appointment in 2008, exactly as you describe. She explained it was voluntary and support was available when I was in a better state of health.