Upcoming changes to benefits

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  • tcellmutation
    tcellmutation Community Member Posts: 341 Empowering
    edited March 2025

    This is more like it! £113.10 / yr x 3 = £339.30 saving per person over a 3 year period. You x this number by the amount of claimants

  • apple85
    apple85 Community Member Posts: 853 Championing

    I assure you for the most part my basic maths here correct

    (The only thing is the £5 I’ve used as the average a pip award rises by inflation was used for simplicity - the 1.7%? benefit rise is particularly low and I think only worth about £1.5 a week for pip mobility low end, £2 a week standard care and £3.5 to £5 a week for both elements - usually the rise with inflation would be worth more……..there’s an argument that I should of used £4 in my sums as the average over £5 and I’m sure ppl can divide by 5, then multiply by 4 to readjust my original figures if they want to)

    Also you think that only simple addition is required for the calculations but simple algebra is also required

    You are adding y+y+y=3y

    When it’s actually (because each yr benefit freeze costs more than the previous year due to current yr inflation adding to the previous yr)

    So it’s actually you need the following formula when calculating a benefit freeze savings over multiple consecutive years:

    y+2y+3y=6y

  • tcellmutation
    tcellmutation Community Member Posts: 341 Empowering
    edited March 2025

    I respect your time and effort for the post but again, i am on full PIP, enhanced for both daily living and mobility. I do not get £260 increase every year. I do not know where you are getting this from. Are you getting weeks mixed up with months??

  • Amaya_Ringo
    Amaya_Ringo Community Member Posts: 408 Championing
    edited March 2025

    Yes, I think it was :)

    I work in an environment where it's useful to be highly literate and where IT skills are important. But there are also parts of my job that I avoid because of the logistical struggle to complete it, even though they're not considered 'hard' by my colleagues. Fortunately I work in a supportive environment and we all balance each other out - there are other tasks I can do more quickly than some of my colleagues can - but it just shows how blanket assumptions about disabilities are not helpful in working out what someone can do as a job. All workplaces are complex. It's not about 'mild' or 'serious' or 'profound' anything. It's about whether your skills are suited or not.

    And if you have a fluctuating condition, even more so. I definitely have days my executive function is worse than others. On those days I am extra careful about how I complete my workload. I am also better in the morning, so I have asked my colleagues to schedule more complex tasks in the morning session, even if it means I often take the busy shift. These are all reasonable adjustments which were decided informally in my workplace among ourselves, because my manager is lovely and my team are great. But how many workplaces are willing to really sit down and do that with each and every disabled jobseeker?

    I can also only work part time. Right now I work 21 hours a week, which is 3 full days. My bus is so bad that getting there and back is an extra 2 and a half hours travelling and waiting around on top of that. I often get in from work and crash for an hour or more. Many advertised jobs expect full time or are not as flexible as they advertise - which counts out people like me. The most I have ever managed to work is 25 hours. Any more than that causes complete burnout meltdown, which ultimately led to me leaving the position.

    This is why they need to speak to us, not to the media or to "organisations" about work.

    I have no confidence in people who don't even understand the disabilities concerned to make the right decisions for our dignity or quality of life.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    why do you think they didn’t go down that route , especially as it’s a benefit for those who work too?

  • Middleton
    Middleton Community Member Posts: 274 Empowering

    I've been on enhanced since first applying for PIP; the award goes to 2028.

    To keep this short, I handed in over 99+ pieces of supporting evidence(it was even remarked on by the assessors lol)

    PIP have scrutinised everything to the nth degree ! -specialist contacts etc.

    So with all these changes and the obvious chance of errors in assessments; the overall unfairness in certain cases. How would someone with constant variable symptoms that will never cease; somehow manage the costs of living after their money is reduced ,or entirely cut. How would someone manage to survive?

    Especially if they have no friends or family.

  • bellatango
    bellatango Community Member Posts: 124 Empowering

    Im on enhanced living and mobility and the weekly increases from 2018 - 2025 are

    PIP

    LIVING

    85.60

    87.65

    89.15

    89.60

    92.40

    101.75

    108.55

    110.40

    MOBILITY

    59.75

    61.20

    62.25

    62.55

    64.50

    71.00

    75.75

    77.05

    WEEKLY

    145.35

    148.85

    151.40

    152.15

    156.90

    172.75

    184.30

    187.45

    WEEKLY INCREASE

    3.50

    2.55

    0.75

    4.75

    15.85

    11.55

    3.15

  • apple85
    apple85 Community Member Posts: 853 Championing

    sadly I only have benefit rise with inflation figures for 2025/26 year

    The dwp wanted to start any pip rise in 2026/27 which there no data for that financial year yet (nor the 27/28 or 28/29 years) - though with everything going on in the world yearly inflation could be much higher than then the % used for benefit up-rating this financial year

    I’d love to have the future data so I can give you all more accurate sums (though it may overwhelm some of you if I calculated to the pence

    I put my hand up and say I’ve never had training in accounting or being a economist

    But my maths skills are pretty solid

    Also cpi was messed up in terms of 2025/26 welfare uprating - the state pension got the full 4% rise but reeves/kendall fiddled a bit with the exact dates used in calculating cpi for incapacity benefits (which I think pip is included in that but I’m not sure)

    More explanation see below:

    https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-10105/CBP-10105.pdf

  • tcellmutation
    tcellmutation Community Member Posts: 341 Empowering

    So it's a total of £163.80 per year increase for someone on enhanced / enhanced for 2025 / 2026

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    I don’t think they’ve considered that our carers will have to work and government will have to pay at least minimum wage for a carer .

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    I have ME and fibromyalgia plus other conditions as secondary. My conditions fluctuate throughout the day . I literally never have a good day . Always pain somewhere and always fatigued. Is Wes steering going to find a cure where my specialist was able to ?

  • tcellmutation
    tcellmutation Community Member Posts: 341 Empowering
    edited March 2025

    Looks like the average weekly PIP rise for enhanced / enhanced over the last 8 years was £6.01

    I think i should 🤐🤣

  • axab43
    axab43 Community Member Posts: 80 Empowering

    Do you know where the new point system is shown?

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    but by removing pip altogether is worse . Are they just incompetent are evil ? Maybe a bit of both

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing
  • Middleton
    Middleton Community Member Posts: 274 Empowering

    We have similar diagnoses 👍.. I'm back in St Thomas' London again in 2 weeks time.

    Maybe i shouldnt go, as these cuts will miraculously make my symptoms disappear😎

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    I was diagnosed years ago at the royal free . CBT, GET , activity management. Nothing worked in fact they made me feel worse. GET couldn’t even start as my ME never stabilised and it’s dangerous to exercise with ME so I was told . Exercise ( walking about not real exercise) helps fibromyalgia pain but then fatigue kicks in so it’s back to bed . Then wake up aching again and so on

  • Zipz
    Zipz Community Member Posts: 4,345 Championing

    They're going to have to almost rewrite PIP as part of the primary legislation process to achieve anything like they're proposing. I imagine that the Committee Stage of a future Bill, following its Second Reading will be very long with every word scrutinised and multiple amendments tabled.

  • Jenwren
    Jenwren Community Member Posts: 104 Empowering

    I just read in the Guardian after a couple of days break from news that there is mention of a U turn on welform reform/PIP: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/mar/15/downing-street-considers-u-turn-on-cuts-to-benefits-for-disabled-people

    I'm not quite sure - does this mean the govt IS doing a u-turn or just something that they are 'considering' and if they do, I'm not sure if they are doing a full u-turn and scrapping it or just an element of it? Has anyone heard more about this?

    I know we're all in the dark until this green paper comes out. I think I probably speak for everyone about what this has done to both my physical and mental health since it was annouced. My CFS is bad, my ADHD is making my brain toxic and catastrophising everything.

    Can also someone explain why the govt are so anti mental health? Physical and mental health go hand in hand and influcence each other, and how insulting to say teens only get 'mild' mental health. Until they are in someone's brain they have no right to judge what someone is going through.

    I would really, really love to force the govertment - any government - for every programme, every benefit they want to slash, they have to go through the whole process. Let them understand the process for PIP - the form, the assesments, the waiting - oh and to make sure they really understand, their MP salaries - and their expenses - will be frozen until PIP reaches it's decision. How many of them have even looked at a PIP or any benefit form? I know I'm being a bit unfair because there are MPs who genuinely care and some have relatives who go through this (but then so did Keir Stammer with his mum and brother)

    I'm just so wrung out right now, as I'm sure everyone on this forum is. If anyone needs a chat or vent, feel free to just reply and I'll try to help, I know how scary it is for everyone here.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    that’s good news to hear thank you . Any idea how this will take especially if it goes to court.

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