Green Paper Discussion (from 24th March, 2025)
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Unfortunately at a rate of 1000 pip awards a day it has made this vital benefit unsustainable.
I fear that a lot of genuine people are going to lose out!
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Thanks for the replies.
It's obviously stressful not knowing, my swallowing function isn't going to return, so they would have to completely ignore or scrap the current DWP criteria that's in black and white for situations like mine if they wanted to stop me getting LCWRA, which wouldn't surprise me given how they've acted so far.
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In the green paper, 11.5-11.6 seems to mention it.
Apparently, they are considering how this change would affect individuals who currently meet the criteria, and talk of 'higher rate unemployment insurance'.
I have no idea what that is to be honest.
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Can anyone tell me what is meant by 'substantial risk' please?
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It definitely confusing!
They really should have answers for all scenarios before bringing these changes forward, all they've done is create fear, confusion and stress for so many people
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I’d like to know what will happen to disabled people with enhanced mobility awards that can’t walk aided or unaided 1-20 meters or less. How are we all going to get to job centre and undertake work training programmes. Also even if I could get there it would have to be by taxi at £25 a go. They haven’t thought about so many things it scares me that these incompetent idiots are in charge.
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"In the context of the Personal Independence Payment (PIP), "substantial risk" refers to a situation where there's a strong possibility that a claimant's condition or disability, if not addressed, could lead to serious harm to their physical or mental health, or the health of others."
Here's a more detailed explanation:
- Purpose of the Safety Net:The "substantial risk" criteria acts as a safety net in PIP assessments, ensuring that individuals who might otherwise be deemed ineligible for support are not left without the necessary assistance if their health is at significant risk.
- Focus on Severity:The assessment focuses on the potential severity of harm, meaning that even if an event is unlikely, if the consequences are serious, it can still be considered a substantial risk.
- Examples of Substantial Risk:
- A claimant who is actively suicidal or at high risk of exhibiting violent behavior, and needs prompting to avoid harming themselves or others, would meet this descriptor.
- If carrying out a specific activity could cause a substantial and sustained worsening of a claimant's condition, making it unsafe for them to do it at all.
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- Evidence Required:To establish a substantial risk, there needs to be strong evidence supporting the claim, such as involvement with mental health services, care plans, or other documentation demonstrating the risk.
- Impact on PIP:A finding of substantial risk can lead to a claimant being awarded the enhanced rate of PIP, ensuring they receive the necessary support to manage their condition and maintain their independence.
- Original Policy Intent:The original policy intent for "substantial risk" was for it to be advised only in exceptional circumstances.
- Current Application:The application of LCWRA risk has gone beyond the original intent.
- Impact on Labour Market Support:The application of LCWRA risk has excluded significant numbers of people from receiving appropriate labour market support to help them to move closer to work.
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She is living in cloud cuckoo land.
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It just not been thought out, it's just a big payment they see going out that they can claw back.
So I, and thousands of others will miraculously recover because the government says we're not ill enough anymore for payments, that's how health works right, someone just says you're not ill anymore and you suddenly feel better?
Just have to laugh at the moment to be honest
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Yes, I'm so sorry about that.
I need to be more careful before posting anything to really think and try to understand for certain what someone is saying.
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I am really not coping well with these changes that could happen. I keep saying to myself I got until Nov next year before things are dramatically going to possibly change. I stay up to 4 am trying to work out what I will do. Could I get stronger than morphine I already have to get through a 8 hour shift and how I cope if my back goes into spasms and I left unable to move properly for days. The more I read the more I believe it's going to happen. I contacted my MP and he says he to busy to attend the April 2nd meeting. I know everyone else feels the same and I sorry if I sound selfish in my post. But what are we all going to do.
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It is all down to the medical assessors and their final outcome as to whether you get lrwca or not.
No, it isn't down to them. First of all, they are not 'medical' assessors but health assessors. They don't need medical training to be able to read questions from a computer screen.
Secondly, the health assessor only makes a recommendation for LCWRA and any decision about entitlement is made by DWP decision-makers (also not medically-trained).
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Timms responding to urgent questions on PIP/Carers Allowance (nothing about ESA, as usual) on this in parliament this morning. I'm watching it on catch-up.
He is beyond clueless.
He's reading from a script, simply repeating the dogma of work will set you free, or kill you, it seems it doesn't really matter. Repeated mentions of those with severe conditions will be protected. (Who is defining who has a severe condition? Unqualified DWP employees? So many questions ….. )
It's obvious the carers were an afterthought, last page of paper.
Someone asked about a constituent couple who may lose £12k per year. He dismissed that by saying that's where both parties in the couple are claiming PIP and Carers Allowance each. He's wrong. Very wrong.
If we put aside the hideousness of this proposal, it's beyond shambolic in its presentation.
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Some very interesting comments. I am still asking with reference to retired PIP recipients. There has been a lot of talk of working age recipients. My question is retired OAP, you all know the ones they stopped winter fuel payments for 🤔
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Is there anything to stop hundreds of thousands of reassessments from being requested ?
They do say "If your condition changes - you need to notify DWP"
So - if they suddenly were flooded with requests - what would happen ?
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As far as I can tell, there's no mention of 'severe' in equality legislation around disability. Only 'substantial', which is a different word completely. Severe is subjective and government opinion. They are not qualified to judge what is a severe disability and what isn't. Nor are the vocal members of the public shrieking about knowing someone playing the system. The people who are qualified are those with proper, full training in the conditions that are being assessed - and the people who live with them, who need to be more represented in all decisions relating to the DWP and disability law.
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They are basically scrapping LCWRA in other words scrapping disability benefits. They have done this so sneakily. This is a very big deal. It's worse than anything the conservatives have ever done. There should be outrage. I don't know why media outlets are not focusing on this.
A party for working people punishing the disabled and most vulnerable who use the money to heat and feed themselves. They have completely rushed this whole thing literally in one day, it doesn't make sense at all. This will cause devastation on the people and the economy. They have not thought this through they are not ready for what is going to come their way if the go ahead with all this. THEY ARE NOT READY FOR IT. They won't get away with it.
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Technically Universal Credit is not a disability benefit. Disability benefits are DLA, PIP and Attendance Allowance. The new equivalent in Scotland also counts. Disability benefits cover the cost of disability - they are not related to employment status.
ESA and the LC etc are welfare benefits, they are also directly related to the ability to be in work. They are also means tested. Of course, these are claimed by disabled people, often who are unable to work due to their disability - but they are not disability benefits in their own right. They are tied to/related to income.
This is why people are able to work and claim PIP or DLA, but not usually ESA.
One of the big problems with this whole green paper is how much the media and discussions have conflated these, and thus the implications of cuts to either. It's also why tying migrated ESA/UC to PIP assessments is nonsense.1
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