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  • lincsgranny
    lincsgranny Community Member Posts: 201 Empowering

    The labour MPs voting for these cuts won't change they are so arrogant and full of self importance. And so far up Starmer the Embalmers butt.

    They will know it's wrong but their career is more than important. They stupid as they will have a short career due to this attacking sick and disabled shame on them

  • bton1968
    bton1968 Community Member Posts: 155 Empowering

    it's not about the pathway to work and never has been regardless of how they word it ….

    it's just a cost cutting exercise but in the long run it will end up costing them more with appeals, tribunals, hospital admissions, care in the community ect ect ect

  • luvpink
    luvpink Community Member Posts: 5,184 Championing

    Yes I agree but Labour have called it 'pathways to work' and Citizens advice have correctly called it 'pathways to poverty'.

    This government are completely deluded if they think it will save any money because it will cost them a lot more money in the long run.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 6,038 Championing
    edited June 2025

    "it's just a cost cutting exercise but in the long run it will end up costing them more with appeals, tribunals, hospital admissions, care in the community ect ect ect"

    ...just as the first failed national reassessment programme did!

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 6,038 Championing
    edited June 2025

    luvpink, Pathways is donkeys years old, like from 2005. It has long been part of the 'welfare-to-work' strategy at DWP.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    I think I read somewhere it can’t be put up as a money bill

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    I’m sure I read on here that it can’t be passed as a money bill

  • rach_90
    rach_90 Community Member Posts: 38 Contributor

    I might be being naive here… but the way I see it, is that there won’t be any u-turn (if any) until the consultation period comes to an end.

    I do believe it will be watered down - but with them looking the good guys… probably along the lines after the consultation period and receiving all the responses, and listening to all the voices and concerns we’ve decided we need to reassess and come up with a new proposal.

    I do think there high likelihood that they will probably go down the route of if you get 12 points, without 4 points in a DL descriptor (possibly more they could up it) you will keep pip, perhaps at the standard rate. This is a partial win for gov’t … they save money but have satisfied the rebel Labour MP’s. Either way Labour are finished and they know it.

  • Amaya_Ringo
    Amaya_Ringo Community Member Posts: 408 Championing

    When the bus passes for pensioners were first introduced, they were for everyone over sixty. Prior to that the situation was a pass that allowed pensioners to pay a discounted fare, and a similar one for people with disabilities. When they introduced the free pass for pensioners, they eradicated most of the eligibility for the disability pass and made it much harder for disabled people to get any kind of bus discount. They also, for a while, made it harder for carers to travel with disabled people without having to pay full fare. There is now a C+ option but that was not there from the start.

    You mentioned a Freedom pass, that's a London thing. I'm talking about the England bus pass, which is issued free of charge to eligible residents living in England.

    When I said there were people in full time work who drove everywhere getting bus passes, I was talking about actual people I know in this area where I live. I know people who still do this, albeit fewer of them work now the age has upped to state pension age. But there's one regular bus user on our bus who also drives to Scotland fairly often. There are older people who use the local buses who never drive, like my parents. And those who do.

    This is how the system actually works. Making it worse is that, even when someone does qualify based on Mobility (Moving Around), if the person is under PIP review at the time the bus pass expires, then they lose their eligibility unless they can go and get additional medical information to cover the time their case is being heard. You have to pay for a doctor's letter, these days. Not everyone can even get access to a GP. Some people lose their independence for months on ends because of these shortfalls. But the guy who drives to Scotland? His comes automatically in the post.

    I have some knowledge of processing applications for bus passes, so I've seen how the system works both for age and disability eligible passes. 90% of older people passes are qualified for using an active driving licence.

    Sidenote - I have 12 points for Planning a Journey on PIP. This is because I cannot navigate. I can't thus walk to save bus fares, because I get lost and put myself in danger. I also can't safely cycle. Despite this…I'm not automatically eligible for a bus pass. I had to get an additional letter from my GP stating why I needed the bus pass - and every time I come up for renewal, I have to check whether I need to get more evidence. The criteria are constantly being amended at government level, and this has implications down the line. There are people in my area who qualified through various initiatives who have also now lost their passes due to the funding running out.

    I am glad you find it easy to get your Freedom Pass renewed, but it's not that way everywhere.

  • YogiBear
    YogiBear Community Member Posts: 410 Pioneering
  • luvpink
    luvpink Community Member Posts: 5,184 Championing

    I haven't seen it.

    Maybe it will be on the news tonight.

    I could be wrong but they seem to be focusing on younger claimants.

  • lincsgranny
    lincsgranny Community Member Posts: 201 Empowering

    Disability and MH don't have a age so hope they don't do that it's all just wrong.

    This Government is so Messed up

  • luvpink
    luvpink Community Member Posts: 5,184 Championing
    edited June 2025

    @lincsgranny

    I agree but it seems to be in the media a lot about young 'economically inactive'

    and mental health.

    We should know more tomorrow.

  • lincsgranny
    lincsgranny Community Member Posts: 201 Empowering

    Fingers crossed we get some information as not letting us know anything is cruelty for us all

  • luvpink
    luvpink Community Member Posts: 5,184 Championing

    I'm dreading it but they have kept us in limbo for too long.

    We need to know our fate one way or another.

  • lincsgranny
    lincsgranny Community Member Posts: 201 Empowering

    Totally agree the impact this must be having on our health.

    It's like being in a bad zone all the time no break from it. Fingers crossed for tomorrow 🤞

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  • lincsgranny
    lincsgranny Community Member Posts: 201 Empowering

    Hope they don't get passed i really do

  • bton1968
    bton1968 Community Member Posts: 155 Empowering

    Can you give more details on this please…

    Substantial risk ?

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