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Wenners
Wenners Member Posts: 17 Listener
I care for my son with scizoid affective disorder a form of scizophrenia

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  • chiarieds
    chiarieds Community Co-Production Group Posts: 11,606 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @Wenners - & welcome to the community. Thank you for joining & saying about your son. How are you both doing? Please join in with any discussions of interest, or try our virtual 'Coffee lounge' to chat with others, or try the word games there. Wishing you a Happy New Year. :)
  • lisathomas50
    lisathomas50 Member Posts: 4,959 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @Wenners welcome to the community my partner has the same disorder he had had it for years he is 56 now he has been able to live a normal sort of life but has a short temper and doesn't always sees things the way we fo and takes everything personal he isn't comfortable around other people and starts snapping at people when he feels they are getting on his nerves 

    We have been together for years but I couldn't live with him full time I can walk away when it gets to much but he has been there for me when needed and has a heart of gold 💛  you must struggle with your son and find it hard 

    There are always people here you can talk to 

    Take care 
  • Wenners
    Wenners Member Posts: 17 Listener
    Hi Lisa. My problem is he used to receive disability benefit and with an I'll ess like that it was for life,but when they changed it to PIP it was an excuse for them to tell lots of folk they didn't qualify! We had to go to Court and the judge granted it. It was reviewed recently after 3 yrs and he was turned down again
  • Teddybear12
    Teddybear12 Community Co-Production Group Posts: 2,051 Pioneering
    Hi @Wenners Welcome to the Community. I am sorry your son has been turned down for PIP again. Pip is not for the diagnosis but how it effects his everyday life. Are you going to appeal again? Take care. 
  • Wenners
    Wenners Member Posts: 17 Listener
    Yes they changed the criteria then they say it don't affect his life,well scizophrenia does!
  • lisathomas50
    lisathomas50 Member Posts: 4,959 Disability Gamechanger
    @Wenners my partner had the same problem so he just gave up as it stressed him out to much sorry that your hoing through this 
  • Wenners
    Wenners Member Posts: 17 Listener
    I am sorry yr partner gave up. The Citizens Advice will get u an Advocate who will ask u questions and fill the form in for u,they will even go along to the Tribunal with u.
  • lisathomas50
    lisathomas50 Member Posts: 4,959 Disability Gamechanger
    I am an independent voluntary advocate we went to tribunal I represented him he got pip for 12 months but on renewal he was refused he decided he didn't want to go through it all again 
  • Wenners
    Wenners Member Posts: 17 Listener
    Yes we felt like that,never again! I was in tears seein my I'll son who as a scizophrenia gets voices under such stress of bein tried in a courtroom and despite what Polly says it felt like being in Court! But u have to be tough and fight the system. My old Dad used to say. "Get all the facts...and if u know u are right...Go for it!"
  • calcotti
    calcotti Member Posts: 3,765 Disability Gamechanger
    Wenners said:..despite what Polly says it felt like being in Court! 
    No-one said it didn't feel like a court, they just pointed out that it isn't a court.
    Information I post is for England unless otherwise stated. Rules may be different in other parts of UK.
  • mikehughescq
    mikehughescq Member Posts: 8,234 Disability Gamechanger
    Wenners said:
    I am sorry yr partner gave up. The Citizens Advice will get u an Advocate who will ask u questions and fill the form in for u,they will even go along to the Tribunal with u.
    Most CitA no longer attend tribunals. The numbers who still provide that service are vanishingly small. 
  • Wenners
    Wenners Member Posts: 17 Listener
    Well our CIB advocate is an Angel,she worked in Mental Health Services before she went to the CIB,she trained as a Lawyer. If u live in Somerset I cld give u her name
  • mikehughescq
    mikehughescq Member Posts: 8,234 Disability Gamechanger
    I’m not sure why you think I might need advice. 

    More red flags really. Why does your adviser need you to know their background? The only relevant issue is their training and experience as an adviser now. They may bring certain skills and knowledge to the table because of their background but it’s important to remember that however much you knew it’s out of date the moment you leave that profession. 

    Trained as a lawyer always makes me laugh I’m afraid. Having a law degree is not training as a lawyer. Training as a solicitor is interesting but the training contracts and LPC are really about practical stuff that’s no different in many ways from being a CitA volunteer adviser. It’s specialist but not especially complex. 

    So, you have an adviser who volunteers their background and claims a 100% success rate. Pardon me for smelling a certain amount of quite explicit BS.
  • lisathomas50
    lisathomas50 Member Posts: 4,959 Disability Gamechanger
    From when I have represented people in tribunal it's very rare an advocate is allowed to speak for the person they are representing  unless the tribunal are directing a question at me or if the person I am representing is struggling or I have asked for permission to speak an advocate is there realy to help if needed and if the tribunal hoes the wrong way to help with an appeal 

    I have a law degrees because its help full to me but law changes all the time so have to do top courses 

    Advocates attend many different tribunals and court cases and are allowed certain privileges in different circumstances advocates dont have success rates as such 
  • mikehughescq
    mikehughescq Member Posts: 8,234 Disability Gamechanger
    The only statuses you can have in an appeal hearing are appellant, representative, observer or witness. You need to declare that status and your intent pre hearing in writing. Anyone who simply says they’re an advocate leaves their status to the mercy of the tribunal judge. Some will act as though you’re a representative and allow you to speak as such. Most will say that you’ve not declared your status so you get treated as an observer and thus not allowed to speak. 

    If you declare your status as representative each time Lisa you will always be allowed to participate as needed.

    That said I don’t see the relevance of a law degree to social security. It’s no different to a geography degree in practice.
  • lisathomas50
    lisathomas50 Member Posts: 4,959 Disability Gamechanger
    I represent people in court and judges use advocates to cross examine as advocates aren't bound like solicitors are or a judge will ask me to speak to someone to talk them round or I am just there to support or I go in judges Chambers to advocate for the person  so I had to have law degrees which I have to do top ups once a year 

    Most tribunals for social security are notified ahead but sometimes I am called to attend at last min when someone has asked before they go in 
  • mikehughescq
    mikehughescq Member Posts: 8,234 Disability Gamechanger
    I don’t dispute the relevance for court but the relevance for tribunal is nil really. 

    If you’re called at the last minute your only issue is if you’re an advocate for someone who already has a representative. If there’s no rep then you just advise the clerk that you are coming in the role of rep and that solves the issue regarding the extent to which you’re allowed to speak. The appellant will be asked to confirm that you’re their rep and away you go. Rule 11 (7) of the Procedure Rules covers this. It does suggest that reps names and addresses need to be notified to all parties in advance but that’s easily overcome via Rule 2. 

    In my part of the world I have never known an advocate refused the opportunity to speak when following the above process.
  • chiarieds
    chiarieds Community Co-Production Group Posts: 11,606 Disability Gamechanger
    edited January 4
    You represent people in PIP tribunals you say @lisathomas50 - so therefore not in in a court.

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