The Green Paper Discussion (the document link is here too!)

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  • alexroda
    alexroda Online Community Member Posts: 157 Empowering

    Alongside levelling up the rate, this change would end the indefinite entitlement to contributory 

    ESA

     for those assessed as having limited capability for work-related activity (for new people claiming).

    That’s my understanding from the above.

    I’m not in favour btw

  • YogiBear
    YogiBear Online Community Member Posts: 157 Empowering

    I'm wondering if this will affect new claimants only at present? Hopefully in the coming days/weeks we will hear from the horses mouth so to speak what's going to happen.

    54. Alongside levelling up the rate, this change would end the indefinite entitlement to contributory ESA for those assessed as having limited capability for work-related activity (for new people claiming).

  • MB8
    MB8 Online Community Member Posts: 37 Connected

    No one said anything about mobility being affected in the announcement

  • LouCie61
    LouCie61 Online Community Member Posts: 77 Empowering

    I didn't know about telling them advance so thanks for that. I could've tripped up on that!

    Funny though that loads of utility companies, doctors surgeries etc. have been recording stuff for years, which they remind us about regularly during the conversation (they have with me anyway) and I thought it sounded like a bit of a threat.

  • MB8
    MB8 Online Community Member Posts: 37 Connected

    Where does it say that wil lose esq if on the support group on indefinite aware for permanent condition?

  • MB8
    MB8 Online Community Member Posts: 37 Connected

    TThere has been NO announcement of changes to mobility pip

  • MB8
    MB8 Online Community Member Posts: 37 Connected

    It says for new peopl claiming snd it does not say in the support group

  • alexroda
    alexroda Online Community Member Posts: 157 Empowering

    limited capability for work-related activity


    that’s the support group

    It’s all very confusing and we need clarification

  • MB8
    MB8 Online Community Member Posts: 37 Connected

    Nothing is changing before nov 26 so I don't see how am imminent review will affect you yet based on new plans which aren't even legislated yet

  • bench
    bench Online Community Member Posts: 129 Empowering

    You already can only be on CB ESA in the work activity group for 12 months, that was brought in years ago , it's only support group ESA that isn't time limited present

  • LouCie61
    LouCie61 Online Community Member Posts: 77 Empowering

    I asked this out of interest - they said I had to get friends or family to take a picture (or that my carer could take one).

    Just a thought, are you on a laptop? you might be able to take a photo from there.

    Otherwise I would tell them that you don't have a device to take a photo. See what they say.

    I hope this makes you feel a bit better. 🙂

  • MB8
    MB8 Online Community Member Posts: 37 Connected

    I don't know why you are working as nothing will affect you potentially for 7 years and by then you could be more disabled anyway

  • MB8
    MB8 Online Community Member Posts: 37 Connected

    Typo.. ...should say worrying not working

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 673 Championing

    earlier I watched on YouTube about an SNP also resigning. His resignation letter summed was shameful to starmer

  • Jenwren
    Jenwren Online Community Member Posts: 82 Empowering

    It can (and depending on the person) often genuinely feel like a threat, but there is also the logic of protection for you, and the other person over what was actually said, if there is an accusation of inappropriate language or behaviour. I think people are hardwired to behave better on camera. it's never nice or easy to be told you're being recorderd but it'll be very different to see how assessors react. Also I'm a big believer in as much as possible getting everything written down and emailed as an extra layer of proof.

    With telling them in advance I think it's just to cover yourself (and them) - legally I'm not sure where the law is on recording people without their consent. I think the real legal problems start if you record them and they don't know, giving their consent may be another issue, but it's something I will try to check out what the law says.

  • worried33
    worried33 Online Community Member Posts: 902 Championing
    edited March 20

    In the Green paper they state that when they remove the WCA system, LCWRA will be replaced by a health top up. There will be two ways to get this health top up.

    Either

    If you have LCWRA prior to April 2026. and then you have another WCA after April 2026, and that keeps you in the LCWRA category, or if you have PIP daily living. They are reactivating WCA's but not for everyone at once, they are going to prioritise specific claimants. This is in the Green paper.

    Logic dictates they will want as little people as possible with the health top up, so I think people who currently get PIP daily living, especially with a 4 point descriptor might be lower priority to have a WCA. This is my assumption, the actual priorities stated have little details other than prognosis length and reason for the most recent WCA.

  • worried247
    worried247 Online Community Member Posts: 2 Listener

    Thank you. No just a desktop and I dont really have anyone that could help (and im pretty uncomfortable with pictures). I'm guessing at worst. I'd have to go to the jobcentre to prove it's me?

  • worried33
    worried33 Online Community Member Posts: 902 Championing
    edited March 20

    There already is a severe category the Tories made, but is very little information on it, other than it is very few people. There was some information on this group in another community, but sadly the information got lost as that community got shut down. It might be a different group not necessarily this group, the green paper doesnt really give any details on it.

  • worried33
    worried33 Online Community Member Posts: 902 Championing
    edited March 20

    I have seen multiple interviews now from mainstream media trying to put pressure on ministers, but they dodging the questions with the usual tripe.

    Also it seems there is a planned date, I guess I missed it when reading the Green paper, but several credible media outlets have said November 2026 the 4 point rule will come in, so not far away, only a year and a half.

    It seems so many people dont understand the descriptor points system and is a huge amount of confusion.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 673 Championing

    this is standard practice for them imo . My first pip after being on DLA. Zero points , I got some from MR which apparently isn’t easy but they saw how much evidence I submitted. It went to 2nd tier taking two years . But it’s in my notes I will fight them ( not sure if it makes a difference though) . Did you fill forms yourself ? If you did you also need advice with the form. Also need help and supporting evidence for MR . Record assessment and tell them . In my experience these things first time is a real fight with many ppl regardless of condition. A lot of it is luck of who you get assessment day as bad as that is. But don’t give up that’s what they want .

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