The Green Paper Discussion (the document link is here too!)

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  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 8,623 Championing
  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 8,623 Championing
  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 8,623 Championing
  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 8,623 Championing

    Oh yes I'm useless didn't see click online yes I did it and I didn't hold back

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 8,623 Championing

    TThere has been articles on Google people been on news saying how it would effect them ellen clifford held another meeting some mps and unions attended behind the scenes alot going on 26th many activists people will be outside number 10 I think 5 mps resigned if you Google your see I think maybe silent because don't want goverment getting ideas

  • egister
    egister Posts: 1,110 Pioneering

    In response, I suppose we should ask, "Why don't you participate in the Olympics and receive a Nobel Prize if you are healthy?"

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  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 8,623 Championing

    The only way to try and deal with this is day by day knowing alot going on in background even me miss clueless can see this is an absolute joke even holding impact report saying next week keeping us waiting for 8 months writing bogus consultation twice second trying to get media on board whoever is advertising them is not very intelligent at all they think thier well above the law well they are not how do they know could have lawyers consultants many many clued up people on pip if this way lwcra lwc I believe there's less on lwcra but pip it's claimants carers employers so so many people effecting so sit tight and watch what's coming you can push the people so far ps everytime you email mps it's logged so that's why mps inboxes are flooded which is a good thing keep flooding them this is a fight more of us than them

  • CandyK85
    CandyK85 Online Community Member Posts: 12 Contributor

    Has she voiced an opinion on all of this yet? I'm guessing because of her position she can't publicly criticise the policy.

  • calflye
    calflye Online Community Member Posts: 109 Empowering

    Don't know if this has been asked already, the thread is very fast moving, for obvious reasons. These proposed changes that they want to bring in, for example, the 4 point scoring, scrapping WCAs, needing PIP for UC Health Element, needing to be 22 for PIP and UC Health Element. Would all of these, IF brought forward, need agreement from House of Lords as well as receive Royal Assent?

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 8,623 Championing

    The I don't understand is every assessment I get points for different questions never stays same I did get 4 point daily living for face to face that be changing if this passes noting been passed

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 8,623 Championing

    I understand you got your pip for a few years so that's good I don't believe half of this will go through honestly 24 mps gone independent under starmer leadership alot of people in back ground doing so so much they wanted to be seen as the ones who changed welfare but they have broken alot of laws keep emailing mp other mps as well who cares if not our mp this is a wishlist not done with any care of our mental wellbeing they will be pulled over hot coals I really believe we will be ok everything be watered down they made it extreme because they knew that as for today rest your mind and body it's unattainable to live on fear day in day out I did I thought having a stroke I'd be worried normally but from what I read and seen this lot a bunch of clowns big big big hugs don't worry this will be resolved in time but will take time so do things to protect your mental health xx

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    Do you mean Rayner ? I watched as Kendall spoke of the cuts she intends to bring in during parliament and Rayner was sitting behind her nodding her head . Which if she agrees with this is disappointing as listened to her interview on bbc4(?) and she came across very well in regards to the disabled. Mentioning her mum’s disability and her sons . But then again so does Starmer when it serves a purpose.

  • Bigboblee50
    Bigboblee50 Online Community Member Posts: 41 Contributor

    So worried I just migrated from ESA support group to Universal Credit LCWRA now this,will it mean I will be migrated onto Universal Credit Health automatically as an existing claimant or will I be declared fir for work immediately in 2028? I know it's three years ahead but the worry is killing me

  • KG100
    KG100 Online Community Member Posts: 301 Empowering

    Although I'm worried about all of this happening I really don't think a lot of it will go through to become law.

    I think it'll all be watered down and that new 4 point rule will be abandoned.

    There will be changes but they probably wont be as bad as we think they'll be.

    We seem to have a lot of people on our side now who don't agree with this government.

  • Amaya_Ringo
    Amaya_Ringo Online Community Member Posts: 413 Championing
    edited March 22

    Even though the consultation has omitted asking direct questions on certain aspects (eg, do you think it is fair to fix qualification for PIP daily living at a 4 point criteria), I hope everyone remembers that it is still an open text box and you can include whatever information you like.

    I filled it in answering every question with something relevant to what they were asking then gave them a couple of extra paragraphs of wider context of what claiming PIP is actually like and the impact of losing it for people in work, the burden on the healthcare system if people who cannot work lose their benefits and so on. Stuff they didn't ask for but which we are the best placed to know.

    So even if you think the most important things aren't being consulted on, don't lose the opportunity to put those experiences in the consultation. The worst they can do is ignore it - but if it's not there, they can continue to pretend it doesn't exist.

  • Wibbles
    Wibbles Online Community Member Posts: 3,040 Championing

    Don't forget Labours relocation plans - they want to relocate all disabled people to a remote Scottish island - so they can keep us all together.

  • KG100
    KG100 Online Community Member Posts: 301 Empowering

    I was wondering if she put the new 4 point rule in as a bargaining chip, so she can compromise later and take it out if she comes under pressure from her MP's.

    That's what they do sometimes when changing the rules and laws.

    Watering some parts down to get other parts through.

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