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  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 4,694 Championing

    No, it was a DWP response to a Freedom of Information request.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    It’s not misinformation if it comes directly from someone I know .

  • AppleJacks
    AppleJacks Online Community Member Posts: 89 Empowering

    A difference of opinion

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgqg7ww014o

  • michael57
    michael57 Online Community Member Posts: 1,763 Championing

    Well I have to disagree I remember long time ago when I was a young lad on the moors with my dad milking cows he told me if you had a wee on the fence you would not get a shock he lied haha

  • Passerby
    Passerby Online Community Member Posts: 1,053 Championing
  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing
  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    Link won’t open . Could you screenshot by any chance please ?

  • AppleJacks
    AppleJacks Online Community Member Posts: 89 Empowering
  • Holly_Scope
    Holly_Scope Posts: 4,183 Scope Online Community Coordinator

    Morning folks. As far as we know the DWP utilise Government mandated guidelines for reviews and decision making. @Wibbles shared a link to this further up the page. If someone has heard otherwise via word of mouth, please treat it as that. Please can we all keep the conversation civil. Appreciate tensions are high right now, but want to avoid any upset between members.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    Thanks Apple , their idea that everyone knows the system needs to change is from the stand point that it’s too lenient when in fact I know people that should claim but are too scared to. Not to mention the ones who get turned down. Yes it needs changing, it’s needs to be fairer not any harsher

  • SadOldPanda
    SadOldPanda Online Community Member Posts: 37 Empowering

    Im really struggling with all this, I know even if the bill passes there's still a little hope before it's implemented with legal challenges and the like but just seeing it's going to be introduced to parliament today has got me facing that dark place that those of us with life long mental health struggles know all so well. I'm scared out my mind guys more so with having to deal with the DWP than potentially being destitute which says alot. Just the thought of them phoning me up has me hyperventilating

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 8,225 Championing

    We are considering the implications outlined in the green paper I got another response from human rights committee as I sent another email saying is there anything that can be done because this seems like a culling waiting for scope to share as has my name on it I think thier waiting to see what they propose

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 8,225 Championing

    That's right we have an army behind us the fight will still go on people will pull them up in court there's times I'm my life I never thought I'd get through and I did I'm not watching today but even without watching I know I will email my mp later saying this is outrageous flood them thier like a receptionist at a doctors surgery hospital job centre first port of call all MPs get it the ministers don't so keep flooding them keep them awake at night

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 8,225 Championing

    Thats the worst feeling I'm nit watching today they will just be sadistic and I will crash big hugs

  • alexroda
    alexroda Online Community Member Posts: 292 Pioneering

    if anyone has the spoons, write to as many councillors of your constituency:


    https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/what-you-can-still-do-to-challenge-the-cuts

  • alexroda
    alexroda Online Community Member Posts: 292 Pioneering

    sample draft to councillors:


    Dear [name of councillor],

    I am writing to express my concern about the effects that the proposed Green Paper benefits cuts will have on local services and to ask you to discuss this with our constituency MP.

    According to official estimates, 250,000 people will be pushed into poverty by the Green Paper cuts and 700,000 will be pushed into deeper poverty.  There are no official figures on how many people might move into work due to Green paper changes, but the Resolution Foundation has estimated between 60,000 and 105,000 by the end of this parliament.

    This means that, at the very least, it is likely that 845,000 people will be pushed into poverty or deeper poverty without being able to find work and some of these will be living in our constituency.

    If our MP is considering voting in favour of the cuts, it’s important that they explain how the local authority will deal with the extra strain on its resources, including those listed below, that the cuts will bring.

    Increased demand for adult social care

    150,000 people are expected to lose their award of carer’s allowance because the person they care for has lost their PIP award.  Many carers will have to seek full-time paid employment to make up for this massive loss of household income. This will lead to an increased demand for care provision from the local authority as well as access to day centres, lunch clubs and transport services.  There is also likely to be an increased demand for aids and adaptations to people’s homes.

    Increased demands on mental health services.  

    There is already evidence of claimants living with mental health issues experiencing a deterioration in their condition due to anxiety about the cuts. (DWP leaflets given to participants at in-person Green Paper consultation events included contact details for the Samaritans). If the PIP cuts go through, many claimants – even those with a 4 point descriptor - will experience an increase in anxiety just waiting for their turn to be assessed.  For those who actually lose their PIP, and are obliged to attempt the extremely arduous reconsideration and appeals process to try to get it back, the effects may be dramatically worse.  In addition, PIP often pays for counselling and other forms of therapy which help keep conditions manageable.  So, there is likely to be increased pressure on local mental health services and an increase in costly emergency interventions.

    Increased demands on other health services

    The majority of people who will lose their PIP award will be older and live with physical health conditions such as arthritis, diabetes, heart conditions and respiratory conditions. With households losing up to £12,000 in annual income, there will be a considerable increase in people coping with poor nutrition, loss of special diet, cold and damp living conditions, social isolation, anxiety and more. All of these are likely to cause a deterioration in both physical and mental health conditions and an increase in demand for GP and other health services .

    Increased demand for housing support

    Many claimants depend on PIP to make up the shortfall in their rent.  In addition, some claimants who lose their PIP will find themselves subject to the benefits cap and unable to afford their rent for that reason.  It is extremely likely that an increased number of disabled people will face homelessness and require support from their local authority as a result of Green paper cuts.

    Increased demand on schools

    There is a wealth of evidence that children living in poverty are less likely to achieve at school.  Breakfast clubs and free lunches may alleviate some of their hunger, but overcrowded and substandard housing, lack of online access and lack of money for additional activities can all hold children back and increase demands on teachers.  The Green paper cuts are predicted to plunge at least 50,000 children into poverty and reduce their life chances.  Some of those children will be in our constituency.

    Increased demand for advice services

    There will be a large increase in demand for advice on debt, housing and welfare benefits in particular.  Local agencies may be overwhelmed and are likely to need increased funding to provide an effective service.

    Given all the above – and there are probably other costs I have not considered - it seems certain that the Green Paper cuts will have a real and damaging effect on our local budget.  

    We hope that you will challenge our MP to give serious consideration to all these matters before they decide how to vote.

    Best regards,

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    I don’t know how to link but there are two reports on daily express . One with an MP not being able to answer a question on what people do if they lose pip etc on this morning with Richard madley. Another which could possibly have been written by Kendall. Reporting the millions of us ( me included) with hearing loss followed by the amount of pip we can claim for it . Getting desperate now

  • Dianaf
    Dianaf Online Community Member Posts: 109 Empowering

    I've never known a lovely one. They are trained to be sadistic and alot of them get the jobs because they already are sadistic.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    I’m not sure which are worse , the openly sadistic ( my first assessor) or the ones that try to lure you into a false sense of security ( second one )

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