Official thread: ‘Get Britain Working’ White Paper released Tuesday 26th November

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  • JasonRA
    JasonRA Community Member Posts: 301 Championing

    My opinion, which isn't fact is that many of these reforms will target future incapacity benefit claimants.

    Again I have a real problem with this trivializing mental illness. Those people who trivialize it should push for psychiatry to be easily available. Here in Cornwall to obtain psychiatry on the NHS is very rare.

  • Albus_Alumni
    Albus_Alumni Scope alumni Posts: 11,373 Championing

    I'd honestly try not to worry too much about how they've worded things @Catherine21 as they've said before "those that can work, should" and some people with severe mental health issues just wont be able to and they'll know that.

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Community Member Posts: 1,416 Championing

    What does it mean by voluntary employment in this white paper?

  • Dave1993
    Dave1993 Community Member Posts: 175 Empowering

    anything worth knowing in it?

  • Hopeless
    Hopeless Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 1,012 Pioneering

    look out for a consultation on disability benefits in the spring

  • Kaliwax
    Kaliwax Community Member Posts: 101 Empowering
    edited November 2024

    Meaning something along the lines, you will be supported by the DWP or something along the lines in a volunteer role at a Charity Shop or something.

    I think it's aimed at those who would struggle in a normal workplace environment and would thrive in a low pressure environment.

  • Kaliwax
    Kaliwax Community Member Posts: 101 Empowering

    I also saw that they want to remove the stigma of the job centre, and want it to make it a place where people can be supported, rather than be ashamed in going there and fearing the worst.

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Community Member Posts: 1,416 Championing

    Voluntary would be better because some days I don't know day to day what I be like. Because I'm going to get worse , and a work place I won't be able to cope

  • Kaliwax
    Kaliwax Community Member Posts: 101 Empowering

    I think that is what the intention is, to try and give the disabled who want a chance, to work in an environment where they can thrive and there isn't much pressure and if they want to go into a normal full time job IF they want to, then DWP or whoever would support them too.

    I think it's about giving disabled people an opportunity and a chance.

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Community Member Posts: 1,416 Championing

    I have autism, dyslexia, joint hypermobility syndrome which effects my legs, knees neck, shoulders back , feet wrists fingers and causes digestive problems, bad fatigue where I have to sleep , easy bruising, . Copd , where my symptoms have got worse over a year. On steroids inhaler s, constantly chest infections. The weather throughout the year effects me, fatigue with this . I cannot work. So volunteering may work

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Community Member Posts: 1,416 Championing

    They have to train the jobcentre staff to be human and treat us better.

  • Amaya_Ringo
    Amaya_Ringo Community Member Posts: 408 Championing

    I am happy if they are going to do their own consultation in the spring over disability stuff, because if it's as horrible as the previous, maybe we'll get a chance to comment and the organisations and charities will also be able to put their points across for us too.

    I want them to do more about retaining disabled employees, though. My job is local government, many disabled people work in local government, they're talking about LG cuts…my job is temporary and I may well lose it come the spring. I've managed to get work despite being autistic and thus in the lowest employed demographic % of any disabled group…and despite having no support to get it. But with all this going on, I need them to be more aware of people already in employment that may not be secure. What about us? What do we do?

    So much focus has been on people being not in work, that I feel like we're being forgotten and there's no point in getting x y z people into work if the same number are losing their jobs through natural wastage and current insecurity.

  • Kaliwax
    Kaliwax Community Member Posts: 101 Empowering

    They did mention that to be fair, they said all coach will bent sent some sort of coaching thing, that will enable them to support people better, and try and support people with more complex needs

  • Stellar
    Stellar Community Member Posts: 473 Pioneering

    The youth guarentee idea is potentially good, alongside reforming jobcentres. However, as with anything neoliberals say, the devil is in the detail.

    The consultation in the spring is one example of this. Don't even bother responding and instead prepare for in-person protests. Consultations are worse than nothing at this point as politicians will just ignore the responses.

  • Amaya_Ringo
    Amaya_Ringo Community Member Posts: 408 Championing

    Thanks for your hard work as always, apple, I will be coming back to read over your highlighted version tomorrow most likely :)

    I agree with you about the election and the political situation. I didn't vote Labour in the last GE but I decided a long time ago to not vote for the Tories until they recognised disabled people as people.

    My concern with the white paper is still the problem of people in work being able to stay in work. Kendall is right about the need for a job that's fulfilling and enjoyable. I love my job, but it has no security and getting it was enough of a stress and struggle. I don't really know how to get that across to central government - that keeping disabled people in existing jobs is as important as getting other disabled people into jobs.

    I lost my job during the last "get disabled people into work" drive under Cameron and that was a permanent position, they just closed the service. I am not massively optimistic whether I will be employed next election unless some serious work is done to ensure disabled people in current employment have opportunities to remain in post.

  • Amaya_Ringo
    Amaya_Ringo Community Member Posts: 408 Championing

    I think there's space to answer the consultation and protest if you have the means to do it. As an autistic person who can't navigate and who doesn't do well in noisy crowded spaces, in person protest is not possible for me. Answering a consultation is my only way to get my voice heard. But there's genuinely no reason why not to respond to the survey and protest peacefully against any changes that are to our detriment, if you are able :)

  • apple85
    apple85 Community Member Posts: 852 Championing
    edited November 2024

    I need to find Kendall’s exact quote on the dwp committee meeting as I think if I did remember it correctly then I think it would win her some currency amongst the disabled

    and you comment on supporting those disabled already in work to stay in work is an excellent point and why Kendall should be making an effect to talk directly to as many disabled ppl as possible as labours ‘success’ in this is in our best interest as well as hers and I truly believe a healthy collaboration and compromise is possible (or at least more so then it was with the tories who didn’t seem to care about individuals at all)


    I actually found the transcript from that dwp committee from last week (which I think is the best Kendall has ever come off) - well worth a read:

    https://committees.parliament.uk/oralevidence/14995/pdf/

    Edit: after reading Kendall’s quote prehaps I took some liberties memory wise painting a more sugar coated quote……..I remember her sound compassionate when saying this on the video link though

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