Official thread: ‘Get Britain Working’ White Paper released Tuesday 26th November
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If they are supposedly listening to disabled groups, could scope say about the migration of UC needs to be stopped until its sorted out for disabled people and we are not harassed and the dwp getting people to work while we are not able to. Do they realise all the hardship this entails. I saw on TV that people who were carers had reviews after a few months of a previous one and had to show bank statements of four months. Why can't we be left on esa . It's cruel thing to do .lian Duncan Smith has a lot to answer for
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I think it's not helpful to use AI to summarise or assess the impact of political papers. Remember things like ChatGPT will also be sourcing information from other sites outside of the paper, likely news articles, media or even online comments in order to answer your question.
I know it's a lot to read, but really, it's better to stick to only what the government have released and not allow other things to creep in and cause you more worry.Some of the concerns it raised may well be true, but at the same time, it may not be.
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It's also worth noting ChatGPT often doesn't have the most up to date information and will miss any kind of nuance.
I watched the Liz Kendal interview on C4 last night and I have to say it made me feel quite positive about potential changes. They've been speaking to Scope regularly since getting into power and were very interested in our Support to Work scheme.
I know people will be panicking that they'll be forced back into work when they honestly cant, but please remember they've said it'll be aimed at those who can work. And we don't have any actual information yet, so it's best not to speculate too much.
Personally, getting back into work was the best thing to happen to me, 6 years ago, I really didn't think I'd ever work again, but here I am. 😊 I know everyone is different and I was so lucky to find something that was work from home, but it's helped me so much mentally.
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It's very dependent on the questions asked. More than a few times it's bought up considerations that I've missed, and I'm pretty detail oriented … additionally, I've pointed out things to it that it's not considered … so, we make a pretty good team. Like any tool, there's a lot in understanding how it works and how to get the best from it … and I've a career (although "career" in this case is more akin to an out of control vehicle than a structured employment path - thank you ADHD) behind me in software development, along with a fascination about how these things work.
As for up to date information - I manually saved the PDF files, and then uploaded them for that discussion, so the points that have been made are based on the actual white paper.
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In person protests brought about structural change historically, like womens rights, racial equality as well as action on the climate crisis. The rich and powerful dont gives people rights from the goodness of their heart. they do it because the majority of people force them too. Disruption works. Protests and petitions are not disruptive. They are like restraining orders - only as good as the paper they're written on, and laughably easy to destroy.
Also the UK disabled community took to the streets in the 1990s to bring about the Disability Discrimination Act (precursor to the Eqaulity act). Any UK disabled person who dosen't know this lacks basic history of their ownn community.
When disabled people took to the streets to change the law - BBC News
Protest laws getting tightened are just one of many political attacks that will ultimately fail to stop change happening. You can't stop people protesting - you just make it more dangerous.
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Hi Albus ,
I think the worry for me who will decide who can’t work ? Will it be the assessors who decide on PIP , ESA,LCWRA . I’ve had a terrible time with them when PIP first started. It wouldn’t be so bad if you were awarded money with no obligation to work while you go through the appeals process. It took my 2 years before and I was left destitute, my conditions became worse and I never recovered. Losing PIP is bad enough now but what happens if/when it’s connected to LCWRA? I physically couldn’t work not even from home due to pain and fatigue among other symptoms. When they say if you can work , it always seems like get out card to me . I hope I’m wrong and I do feel more positive reading the posts on here so thank you it’s much appreciated 🙏
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Here is a very intertesting slant on things from the Benefits and Work website - it is worth reading. It is only an opinion as to what 'might' be in store, but it clearly identifies a narrative from the White Paper as to where we might be heading in terms of the WCA.
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I think we need to be very careful of articles that are just guesswork. Spreading theories around is how ideas by some are then seen as gospel by others. Does that make sense?
I totally understand your worry @secretsquirrel1 Having been through the PIP process several times now, it really is inhumane, but it sounds like the new government are wanting to overhaul things. The problem is we're so stuck with our thoughts that any change will be bad, as that's how it was (mostly) with the previous government. I'm personally trying to give them the benefit of the doubt, as they've been listening to charities, something the previous government failed to do for many many years. I'm hoping it'll all be a bit more bespoke.
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Having read the small article it does not strike me as pure guesswork - it argues its case convincingly and reveals a clear narrative.
It remains an interpretation nonetheless.
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Thanks for the advice I'm going to keep this in mind.
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The Jeremy Vine show this morning was disgusting, saying that unless your in hospital with depression or anxiety you should be ok to work.. They just think depression & anxiety is just normal life worries that people nowadays can't deal with so it becomes an illness, absolute disgrace. I'd love to show my scars to them.. Saying that it's good for mental health to go to work, i understand that & i agree in ways but when all is too much everyone deals differently. A friend i helped with an ATOS appointment a few years ago where she cried her eyes out through it because it was overwhelming because the person doing it was so hard & unsympathetic said it was easier not to be here & deal with it all & that's what nearly happened.. These people have no idea about the severity of mental health for some, so angers me..
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II'm Awaiting adhd test probley silly question you have to be assessed and given the diagnosis before joining this ?
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it's this duty to engage thing that worries me, that would be impossible for me and Many others here.
I don't speak to hardly anyone in person, via face to face,phone anything and can't deal with even the smallest routine change.
I've seen that duty to engage everywhere today from comment sections,to articles to social media and if that's what they plan they need to announce long before the spring if that's voluntary and also if it's only for New claimants..
It's causing fear... again
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Iv'e stopped watching shows like that, it jusr angers me and makes me even more poorly. They seem to think it's now okay or normal to put disabled, mentally ill or those less fortunate down all the time because it looks good on tv. These people on shows like that are paid silly money to give their biased and discriminatory views, and actually get away with it on a daily basis without any form of punishment. If they had the same vocal opinions on black, gay, women, or even obese people they would be reprimanded and taken off the air. I also don't believe for a minute they will force any disabled person with either a physical or mental health issue into getting a job, again it;s the right winh media using scare tactics to get clicks online or to get viewing figures because they know it's a popular topic at the moment with their tory readership. Iv'e fought for years against these types of people and their ignorant views and ideas about the disabled, including the DWP saying i was fit for work when it turned out i wasn't after they caused me a near on mental breakdown and a failed suicide attempt. We have plenty of safeguards in place to stop these things happening now so i try not to worry too much about their new policies which most are years off, if they get passed at all!!
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The trouble is with the media and their disgusting flippant remarks about mental health gets it also from that odious cretin Mel Stride who said the same thing.
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How the hell can they do that, I'm ill because I was working it damaged my lungs, I am currently got another chest infection as I'm prone to them now
I won't get better . Find it hard to breathe. They haven't a clue
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I'm sorry we're really tired of the whole thing what it means or others interpretation of what it means. We are at our wits end. We were falsely accused of fraud by the DWP and are now going through endless **** from them. Our car has now gone caput and we can't afford to fix it so we can't go anywhere as both disabled. Both in our 60's no money behind us but don't worry we know this is the situation of many so not sorry for ourselves as we just have to get on with it.
The lessons we took from our son taking his life puts it into perspective, we just need to carry on.
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We will respond to any consultations we will do whatever it takes whether listened to or not. But for now we are despondent and having too many sleepless nights
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I will hold my hand up when I’m in the wrong.
Honestly history (even as recent as the 90s) is not my specialty and I would of been only 10 at the time and not diagnosed
I was winded up by the comment about the consultation responses being pointless and typed in the moment
Also I was only thinking back to the last 15 or so years in terms of the disabled getting ‘concessions’ from a protest
I don’t disagree with protesting at all - as long as it doesn’t cross any lines all ways the disabled can get their voice heard is a good thing
I just wish there where more ways we could be heard
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liz, I don't want to make you feel any worse. I will ask for those posts to be removed. Please accept my apologies and take care 💜
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