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  • LouCie61
    LouCie61 Online Community Member Posts: 98 Empowering

    Exactly. They are not looking to give support in any way. I stick by what I said in that I believe this is a cull.

    On 10 June the "Government" (allegedly) committed £14b to build Sizewell C; with the usual blah that it will provide a huge number of jobs for the people who want to work…

    Perhaps we'll all be shipped off to work there - after all, they like their high viz jackets and hard hats don't they.

    Please don't think I am making light of this in any way - this is simply how I see what they are doing.

  • Danny123
    Danny123 Online Community Member Posts: 223 Empowering

    Im of the opinion that they can , I was watching something on political Joe , and they were saying even a 150 MPs wouldn't be enough to stop this going through but the women said that there would definitely not go through as it is , her words were " that's it's a given that there will be amendments " remember there's a long way to go yet .... Basically that statement in Kendall letter says there will be no delay on bringing these proposals to the house , as they want to present it to parliament by the 30th of June , as they need to pass It by a certain time so that the changes are in place for Nov 2026 , that doesn't mean to say there will be no admendments , a 150 labour MPs are not happy with them , so there is no way that they will go through exactly as they are , not to mention the house of lords will debate them as well ....

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Online Community Member Posts: 9,796 Championing

    My worry is if it goes through as a money bill no one can contest Lords courts are powerless this is what I've been reading

  • Danny123
    Danny123 Online Community Member Posts: 223 Empowering

    Welfare reforms while they do include such things as public expenditure are classed as public bills , I do not see the government doing this , there is so much being written at the moment it's very hard to keep up , if you looked at all the things that have been written in the last month they pretty much contradict each other every few days , there will be alot of debate once these are presented to parliament and I'm so confident there will be tweaks , where exactly did you read of this money bill

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    What about the Tory’s who I’ve read are voting against ?

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Online Community Member Posts: 9,796 Championing

    A post on here no your right I'm getting anxious and reading up on everything thankyou I'm going to stop looking at stuff and panicking

  • Danny123
    Danny123 Online Community Member Posts: 223 Empowering

    Apparently there isn't a majority of MPs big enough to stop these going through , the women I watch on political Joe is very informed and is now appearing on GMB and question time , she was saying that whoever votes against its still not enough to stop them but she said one thing is for certain they will not go through as they are , she said tweaks were a certainty .... So it really is a case of waiting could you imagine the chaos these reforms would cause if they became law as they are , if a 150 of your own MPs are rebelling , getting them through is one thing but getting them through like they are after long and painful debates is another

  • Danny123
    Danny123 Online Community Member Posts: 223 Empowering

    Definitely for the best ☺️ I've seen nothing of anyone passing anything as a money bill , even if you Google it not one article comes up .... Don't let one post ruin your whole day .... I have served OCD and dark intrusive thoughts , I know all to well what it's like

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    When Abraham mentioned the consultation not being fully open to us Kendall replied it was always going to be that way as it’s being debated in parliament and amendments discussed. I’m hoping that’s her way of saying it win go through in its current form. Though obviously hope it gets voted down

  • lincsgranny
    lincsgranny Online Community Member Posts: 201 Empowering

    I think the same I got consumed by spending every minute of the day checking for information in the hope id find something that would give me abit of hope. It put me in a place where a emergency referral was made to mental health services.

    I am gonna just wait and see what happens, while I still email the sad folks in Government. They are not MPs as MPs look after the people

  • Danny123
    Danny123 Online Community Member Posts: 223 Empowering

    Like I say long way to go , I think they are playing the long game and they know they will have to tweak these , when you have so many of your own MPs rebelling against them there surely must know there will have to be some leeway..

  • lincsgranny
    lincsgranny Online Community Member Posts: 201 Empowering

    My support has explained to me they would have to be watered down.

    Fingers crossed 🤞

  • luvpink
    luvpink Online Community Member Posts: 4,220 Championing
  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    I’ve read about it too , I think it was a source spoke to a journalist. I don’t see how they can pass it as a money bill . Everything costs money so really that could say we need to save money from NHS , illegal immigration etc and just pass laws as a money bill . Governments could just pass any laws they like as it all costs money. All just my opinion just my thoughts on the subject and I hope I’m right 🤞🙏

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    I really hope they don’t scrap lcwra on its own. At least leave us something while we go to appeal for pip if we need to

  • johnnyy85
    johnnyy85 Online Community Member Posts: 266 Empowering

    So let me get this right the gov are confident now they have the numbers to get it through ? That’s why there doing it next week ?

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    Everything they say is about working people, we are surplus to requirements to them . People can main about the Tory’s but I never felt they hated up like this lot of psychopaths

  • Danny123
    Danny123 Online Community Member Posts: 223 Empowering

    If they do it won't be until earliest mid 2028 until then we will just get reassessed through the current WCA even if the reassessment is after the changes to pip on November of next year and then there will be a transition put in place when we finally have to chance our arm at the new pip , I think the scrapping of the WCA will get alot more coverage when it's nearer the time .... At the moment it's all pip because that is the change that is coming the soonest from November next year and will affect a lot of people at that time , once that is all done , I think the scrapping of the wca will be quite a big deal

  • Girl_No1
    Girl_No1 Online Community Member Posts: 414 Trailblazing

    That's a sneaky cop-out i.e. debating in parliament as opposed to a proper consultation with knowledgeable people/agencies.

    MPs, for the most part, will have zero direct knowledge of disability benefits, far less the intracacies involved in our day-to-day lives/survival.

    They are a shower of facists charlatans.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    Every part of it is brutal so not sure how they can tweak it . Losing pips one thing if you have lcwra while you go to appeal , which can take two years as it did me . Now we will be left with no income at all and being too sick to work means sanctions. I can’t believe this is legal when they aren’t even releasing all the facts so mps know what they’re voting for .

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