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That's the other massive elephant in the room - forcing a vote without OBR information available to allow an informed vote.

That cannot be legal, can it? Forcing MPs to buy pigs-in-pokes?

We might as well move to America - at least there they're upfront about how we are a deficit on society, we are a cost burden only.

I'm ancient - well elderly - and I truly never believed I would see a group of people claiming to be the Labour party stooping to this level of skullduggery towards sick/disabled people. Never.

And it’s not about money either as they’re throwing money around like confetti. The only cut backs are aimed at us . It’s pure hatred

The irony of it all is that this could be the catalyst which costs Labour the next election, which will destroy their "social justice" credibility for generations also.

"Labour the party that consigned hundreds of thousands of people to destitution"

We know Starmer doesn't care, he was already set for life before becoming an MP in 2015, Reeves, Kendall and Timms no doubt will enter the house of Lords but all 4 of them will be remembered for this saga.

Is it worth it? To ruin other people's lives under the guise of benevolence and a "moral imperative". Stephen Timms is a Christian and so is Rachel Reeves, Christ himself said "For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you took me in.".

It's about the idea that our actions towards others, especially the vulnerable, will be a key factor within Christian orientated judgement. I'm not religious but I understand some aspects, compassion is something which is beyond religion.

I think starmers a psychopath and has therefore surrounded himself with Kendall and reeves who are too . Lacking in empathy and cannot read the room. Starmer tries to mirror empathy but just looks robotic. He’s so stupid I’m embarrassed for him at times , walking around with his sleeves rolled up for no purpose whatsoever. I really hope the back benchers vote against him and his cuts , as you say his future is lined up there’s isn’t

@JasonRA

Tweaks or not, it will still be devastating for far too many people. They will say it's not destitution. My partner, a full-time carer to his mother, receives just over £100 per week. His share of their joint-tenancy rent is paid, and he receives council tax support but is still responsible for water/sewage charges from his £100pw.

Beyond that, nothing - not a bean from UK Govt. Scottish Govt. provides a Carers' supplement of about £10pw - paid twice yearly.

£100pw to me is destitution in today's climate. Starmer/Kendall/Reeves/Timms consider it ample on which to live.

I'm astounded at the lack of reaction from Trades' Unions about this, as their members are the future claimants who will find themselves in our position as a result of one illness, one condition, one accident.

It's beyond cruel @secretsquirrel1. Liz Kendall and Co are still hell bent on getting these proposals through.

Remember when pip first came in and people died , this will be far worse

The back benchers who’ve waited 14 years must know they won’t be voted in again in their lifetime with starmer . They need to get rid of him to save themselves if not for us

Dont know about anyone else but , .....that says to me that the areas that they haven't consulted on , such as the pip and scrapping the wca and using pip as one assessment , will be debated in parliament , then amendments will be suggested and then it will go to a vote 🤷 so surely with all the controversy and doubt over these reforms by so many of there own MPs and other party's , lib Dems , greens etc that there will have to be amendments made .... I wouldn't count on the Tories to vote against these though once there being debated in parliament as the only reason they are said to be voting against them now is to cause labour headaches ... Still more than enough push back without the Tories to get tweaks ....