Official thread: ‘Get Britain Working’ White Paper released Tuesday 26th November
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How do you think they shift people from LCWRA to LCW or FTW?
- Changes to Descriptors
- Making it harder to meet Descriptors and score points
- Abolish LCWRA
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What about those that can't work because of mental illness. Makes me so angry people on media shows saying that work is good for you which for some it is. Mike Parry and the bloke on GB News is another saying that you just have to have a bit of CBT then you'll be fine, what a joke.
Personally I've had anxiety and depression my life, mum an addict when I was born, saw child psychiatrist when I was 5 and many times through my life, covered in scars etc, what about those people who's life is a daily struggle
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I don't think they are taking about working off you can't, they are looking at working if you can. So many people are on lcwra and simply get left for years without any input at all from any services. It's no wonder people are left feeling anxious and depressed, it could look as if their life is over.
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This sums it up so perfectly. At the point where my DLA was ended and I had to apply for PIP, I was probably at the best point in my life, had a good balance and I had begun to feel that I had a path and a future plan which would put me almost equal with my peers.
Then I went through a year of PIP and repeating over and over again what I couldn't do, while they mangled it and misquoted my evidence, and it destroyed all of that confidence and made me actively afraid of the DWP.
It also interrupted my career path and training to the point the path is now no longer open. COVID ended the last hopes of that but the time wasted appealing PIP was the real death knell of my career hopes. I couldn't do all the additional stuff I needed to because of how much energy and time went on my appeal and that I had to be within range all the time as they were saying tribunals etc could be called within any two week period at the time. So very restrictive.
PIP is a very negative benefit misrepresented in the media, as is the process of applying/obtaining it. Every time someone says 'it's easy', I shudder, because I remember those twelve months of hell.
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It'It's empowering to have PIP when you are awarded it, but it's a very taxing and demoralising process to apply for it.
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Unclaimed benefits is at least £19 Billion.
https://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/news/missing-out-%C2%A319-billion-benefits-support-goes-unclaimed-each-year
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What do they do with this unclaimed money, why can't they plug this so called hole with it?
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I think that's a very negative way of looking at things @Catherine21 I don't think everything is designed to keep us down at all and the government know making us unhappy is ultimately a bad decision. 😆
I'd still love to know exactly where you're reading these things, as I'd like to have a look myself. Just to see if they're coming from reputable sources. 😊1 -
I actually rarely read things as news is just designed to create panic, drama and doesn't often publish facts.
There isn't anything wrong with encouraging people back into work. Those that CAN work. We have people trapped on lcwra, by trapped I mean left to rot, no support, no encouragement. It doesn't change until you are assessed. We are dumping thousands of working age people on the scrap heap.
I have a lifelong condition(s) , but before Covid and PIP I was doing voluntary work.
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I would like to try volunteering, as working would be impossible with my health problems. I'm hoping the government would encourage it for those unable to work. As at least it contributed. And sitting at home rotting not good.
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No, whistles, they are not 'trapped' on LCWRA. That is the myth being used to justify the second national reassessment programme.
Please read the reports about the first national reassessment programme (2011-2014) published by Labour as soon as they took power then tell me what the real trap is.
Support and encouragement for those ABLE to work has always been available to claimants.
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I wouldn’t use the word ‘trapped’
However in many cases that you try and take a positive step towards getting off the system you need to think twice as it could trigger reassessment or overwise
In my experience with the dwp it’s very black and white - either your too sick to work or do literally anything or it’s basically ‘you can do x so you are obviously healthy enough to full time work’ - there’s not a middle ground or steps towards a to z (my old work coach who seemed to like me as I was one of the few claimants that was polite to her warned me off the record not to make any major step towards work unless I was 100% ready for the jobcentre to start pushing for any old job interviews)
so I wouldn’t used the word trapped - but being a disabled claimant trying to move off system into suitable & safe work is like hiking up mount Fiji and the dwp fill your rucksack with ridiculously heavy dumbbell weights………….
And these extra barriers blocking the possibility of success does disillusion over time - every time you try and fail or get blocked your MH and self worth takes a hit and it gets harder and harder to muster the energy to try again (and it’s a bad attitude to have but you do end up thinking why bother if everything is stacked up towards failure or your life/health decreasing substantially regardless)
On this thread I’ve suggested that prehaps long term we are best trying to jump through labours hope to stop an even worse case scenario for disabled being trusted on in 4 years (apparently the guardian was thinking along the same lines)
however the dwp do need to do their part in ripping down multiple ‘barriers’, totally change the culture & thought process of job centres and dwp staff, provide more forms of actual help and provide more definitions to the word ‘success’ (note to Kendall, timms and McGovern - paid employment is not the only useful contribution that disabled ppl can make to society and saying it to media every few days do not make it so nor does it endear you to the disabled community)2 -
I’m not sure Kendall personally reads her own email and I’m not sure their egos would allow them to consider an idea that they didn’t come up with.
I think Kendall said that she wanted to collaborate with the disabled community in terms of future reform - if there is another dwp public consultation it’s more like the one streeting launched for the nhs a couple of weeks back where all suggestions & ideas can be submitted no matter how bonkers (instead of begging the dwp to use their common sense as to why pip and vouchers don’t mix)
@Andi66 theres a couple of things I can’t post in official term on this thread - would it be okay to PM you some point over the coming week?
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In my experience with the dwp it’s very black and white - either your too sick to work or do literally anything or it’s basically ‘you can do x so you are obviously healthy enough to full time work’
Yes and this was the original 'binary' argument used by IDS for his scheme to migrate claimants from incapacity benefits to ESA starting 2008.
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Kendall's contribution to Labour's 2015 Disability Manifesto should be revisited..
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I think there are so many articles being written by the far right media and disablity activists that they all merge into one another and it’s very easy for mind to get warped by it all especially when you have trouble turning off and ignoring things.
On your comment that this labour government know making the disabled community is a bad decision - I’m not so sure
There are many of the public that see disabled as dead weight that don’t contribute anything and that welfare should be cut and disabled forced to work (though some of the same ppl contradict themselves by saying they don’t want to work in the some place as a disabled person) - basically red meat politics
I’m not sure there’s a way for labour to make both groups happy so may pick to (try and) make the group most likely to help them next GE in terms of votes ‘happy’
I’m not sure either the [removed by moderator - uncivil] right leaning public (those individuals believing the right wing press narrative on welfare and the disabled) or disabled community will ever be ‘happy’ with labours choices and starmer may have already lost voters from both groups - however financially the ‘easy’ option in terms of the gov saying money is to cut welfare and tighten criteria for awards (it shouldn’t be as it should weigh on the conscience - not sure many politicians have sleepless nights over disabled they’ve forced into poverty - esp as starmer only seems to value ‘working people’)
I really hope I’m wrong - but every couple of days we are getting new, harmful sound bites from dwp ministers such as Kendall, timms and mcgovern - I’m not sure what are the odds that none of them realise the damage and hurt they are causing with their constant stream of verbal ‘grenades’ and the amount of goodwill ‘currency’ they are wasting and are just obvious to it all (rather than being intended ‘targeting’)0 -
Let's please be careful with comments like the one I've had to edit please @apple85 remember the house rules, let's keep it civil.
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Sorry to hear that @Catherine21 we're all here if you need us. ❤️
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I should edit that to “in my experience over the past 6-7 years” - during the Tory/lib dem coalition and before 10 years ago there was actually some flexibility in the dwp/jobcentre
There was disability specifically trained jobcentre advisers (they all got retrained as uc work coaches 4-6 years back and don’t cater to specific claimant needs) and they were more then happy (encouraged & didn’t threaten reassessment or sanctions if you wants to try and earn a little pocket money - there’s no way in hell you could get away with that in 2024)
Ironically it may be best for the jobcentres to go backwards then to ‘evolve’ (god knows what it will turn into) and over a decade ago there were a few good ideas which should of never been ditched
@WhatThe - I can’t tell if you are agreeing or disagreeing with me - it’s cool either way as everyone’s entitled to their own opinion0
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