Green Paper Discussion (from 24th March, 2025)
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I’m not a political person by any means, but I recently saw a post from a member (though I can’t find it now) that got me thinking. What if we nominated a leader from our community and officially registered an independent disabled-led party:run by disabled people, for disabled people? If we built a nationwide disability movement and possibly formed a coalition with like-minded established political parties , do you think we’d stand a real chance in the next General Election?
Given the current volatile situation,I’m sure that if such a party were to emerge now, it could truly transform the nation giving a voice & hope to millions, driving real change, and creating a more inclusive society in every avenue .With 16 million disabled people in the UK, could this be a game-changer, or is it too ambitious?
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I googled FRS and found this on GOV.UK
Dataset: Family Resources Survey (Adult, Child, Individual)
Field: Disability Status of the Individual
Description
Whether the individual has a disability or not.
The definition of disability used in the FRS publication is consistent with the core definition of disability under the Equality Act 2010. A person is considered to have a disability if they "have a physical or mental impairment that has a 'substantial' and 'long-term' negative effect on their ability to do normal daily activities". Where by 'substantial' means more than minor or trivial, and 'long-term' means 12 months or more. Some individuals classified as disabled and having rights under the Equality Act 2010 are not captured by this definition:
- People with a long-standing illness or disability who would experience substantial difficulties without medication or treatment
- People who have been diagnosed with cancer, HIV infection or multiple sclerosis but who are not currently experiencing difficulties with their day-to-day activities
- People with progressive conditions, where the effect of the impairment does not yet impede their lives
- People who were disabled in the past but are no longer limited in their daily lives
Classification
Applicable to: all individuals.
- Not a disabled child / adult / person
- Disabled child / adult / person
Total number of categories: 2
Quality Statement
The basis of identifying people with a disability has changed over time:
- From 2002-03 to 2003-04 a person with a disability was an individual who reported substantial difficulties across eight areas of life
- From 2004-05 to 2011-12 a person with a disability was an individual who reported substantial difficulties across nine areas of life
- From 2012-13 onwards a person with a disability was an individual who reported any physical or mental health condition(s) or illness(es) that last or are expected to last 12 months or more, and which limit their ability to carry out day-to-day activities a little, or a lot. The FRS disability questions were revised to reflect new harmonised standards
Comparisons over time should be made with caution, as they may be affected by the change in the definition of disability and individuals might have different interpretations of particular health conditions or FRS question wording.
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I've just signed this very important petition on change.org about the stopping the new 4 point PIP rule. It has just been bought to my attention by @charlie72
I was dismayed though by the fact that so few had signed it! 😳
COME ON PEOPLE!!! We can do better than this. 😊 👍
PLEASE SIGN AND SHARE!!!
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Good morning,
I just read in the guardian that the green paper will be put to the vote before the OBR can publish its impact assessment. Instead they’ll be releasing it in October as the government haven’t released enough information. Baring in mind the Tory paper failed in court partly due to only 3% of disabled would be found work surely their sneaky way around this would be also found unlawful?
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They might be able to put it to a vote, like all their policies, rushed and ill thought out. Let them do it and make same mistakes tories did. You might find this interesting though!!
- Green Papers Are Consultative – A Green Paper is not legally binding legislation; it is a proposal for discussion. Courts generally do not intervene in policy proposals unless there is a clear legal issue, such as an unfair or unlawful consultation process.
- Judicial Review – If the government proceeds with policy changes based on the Green Paper without proper consideration of evidence (such as an impact assessment from the Office for Budget Responsibility), a judicial review could be brought. This would typically be on the grounds of:
- Procedural unfairness (e.g., lack of proper consultation).
- Irrationality (if the decision is unreasonable or lacks evidence).
- Failure to consider key factors (e.g., ignoring financial or social impacts).
- Parliamentary Sovereignty – Courts are generally reluctant to interfere in parliamentary procedures unless there is a breach of constitutional principles, such as the government failing to follow its own statutory obligations.
If a policy is later implemented without an OBR assessment and has significant negative effects, legal challenges could be stronger at that stage, particularly if claimants can demonstrate harm or procedural misconduct.
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Thanks for signing it, I too was a bit dismayed at how few people had signed it so far, maybe it needs sharing on social media too (I'm not on that). Everyone on here should be signing this, ir makes a difference!! Thanks.
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I've just read that article and feel rather better for doing so. I agree 100%.
Disability Activists like Ellen Clifford and Disabled People Against Cuts are undoubtedly going to take this back to the high court as they did will the last government and succeed in getting the current green paper proposals declared as unlawful as the Tory proposals were. I'd be very surprised if they didn't succeed in this again.
I hope you don't mind me putting in the link to the Guardian article.
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I’ve shared it on my Facebook feed and signed it. Hopefully others will do the same. If we get enough support it might give the government a bit of a push back, or MPs food for thought! 🤞
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Thank you , I thought exactly this . Very interesting
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Thank you for putting the link up , I don’t know how too 😀
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I just watched a video on YouTube, dynamic duo, apparently a report by DPAC claims that the £4 billion of cuts is a lie and it will be £7billion possibly £9billion . Links are on the channel if anyone wants to take a look .
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You're very welcome! 😊
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Saw an article on X by Peter Stefanovic saying that MP's are going to vote on disability cuts without knowing 'full impact'. This is getting more concerning.😳
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I found this link to the Dignity Declaration in an excellent article in The Canary by Jeremy Corbyn, who is a signatory. 😊
I've signed it myself and wondered if it would be of interest to anyone here. 🤔
It's part of a project to get an left wing nationwide political party under way, to give people like us a proper alternative to vote for instead of elitist and right wing parties who try so hard to misrepresent us so they can take what little we have away.
https://thedignitydeclaration.co.uk/
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If half the uk are on benefits, then this hasn't been thought through .
Everyone of us pay vat and tax on everything just the same as those working . So cutting our money off is only got to make it worse , we have no money , we don't shop etc .
Reading some of the comments on some of the news reports are absolutely nasty, I am sure a lot of us never thought we would be disabled , so those calling us lazy scroungers should think about what they are saying , nobody knows what is around the corner , every one could end up disabled at some point .
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I only watch him , I wasn't impressed with Noah she seems to think the cuts are a good thing .
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can I ask peoples honest opinions on whether the government will actually succeed in getting this through ? And succeeding against human right challenges ?
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