Green Paper Discussion (from 24th March, 2025)
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Yes absolutely I found that too . Only Noah and Phil on A different bias were all for Labour and the cuts. Now Phil has even spoken out as originally he said Labour wrote the cuts would be made solely by tackling fraud. But Noah definitely is all for the reforms. I also watch the justice journals with Alison , she used to work at dwp and took them to court .
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Even if you have a lot of voters you have to win the constituency seats. That's why Reform only won a few seats with 4 million votes. It's not impossible but it would need a very big movement and very careful planning to win it.
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I think they will definitely get it through, I’d say 50/50 for the legal challenge
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I honestly don't know - it could go either way
If it does - Labour definitely will not win the next GE and will be out of power for decades
But what are the alternatives ?
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Dear Holly, could I just point out, that according to Scope's comprehensive details, it is in fact not 'all disabled' who need to apply to PIP, i.e. the UC health element will only be needing to be applied for for contributory-based i.e. former ESA / transitioning CONTRIBUTORY i.e. recently employed for by PIP and the WCA still holds for non-contributory health elements according to scope's own comprehensive definition. Glad I read those details first before getting myself all panicked. Thank you
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Labour are a 75% working class cabinet and they are going to vote in the worst reform in HISTORY for the poorest in society and disabled people. They should be embarrassed with themselves. The people did not vote for this.
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I think it will get voted through they have enough of a parliamentary majority even if all the opposition party members voted against ( which they won't ) there are not enough Labour MP's with integrity to stand against the Leadership. It will be voted through and enshrined into law. Hopefully there will be court challenges due to the OBR not publishing the full impact statement before the vote. Also breach of equality law may be grounds for legal challenges but legal challenges take time and may not be resolved before the implementation of the Green paper in 2026.
If I had any advice it would be to make sure you go to your GP as much as possible to keep on top of health issues to keep a paper trail of appointments, blood tests, scans, physio, hospital appointments, hospital stays ect. If you are under a mental health care team, again keep a paper trail of your appointments and have as much evidence as possible to present when your PIP review is due.
Get to know somebody at your GP practice so they know your health needs and your condition and give them as a contact on your PIP renewal form. ( I know it is not always easy to have continuity of care ) do the best you can to see the same GP, you can ask your GP to make your next appointment when you see them and explain you feel comfortable seeing them and would like continuity of care if possible. It is what I have done with my own GP and she books my next appointment when I see her. Obviously if an emergency appointment I have to take whoever is free but try and build a relationship if possible so they can advocate on your behalf to the DWP.
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Could you post a link for the justice journals with Alison please ?
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Is it possible to download an app on your phone, some GP's offer online services now where you can book appointments in advance. I am so sorry you are unable to get appointments I can't imagine how hard it must be for you and worrying. I am in South Yorkshire and I can't say a bad word about my GP they are really good but I know it isn't the case everywhere in the UK ( it should be, but isn't and the disparity in care is so unfair ) my Mum and Sister live in London and my mum really struggles to get appointments despite having poorly controlled diabetes and issues associated with it and ends up going to the walk in centre instead. I only mention the app as my mum recently got it for her practice and can now book appointments usually a few weeks in advance.
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Hi Sarah , sorry but I have no idea how to . But if you type in the justice journals you’ll find her . She also gave a deep dive about the pip changes .
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No problem , I did type it in but it isn't coming up . I'll keep looking thank you .
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oh I don’t know why it isn’t coming up . I just typed in the justice journals and it was the first thing that came up
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I found it now lol
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Thanks @gamer1 .
I respect everyone’s opinions, but I personally felt that Reform UK’s manifesto on disability benefits was one of the worst. 🙄
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For anyone wondering what Reform's manifesto had to say about disability/benefits. Here you go, excerpts from B&W site:
Reform UK election manifesto: welfare benefits promises
Published: 17 June 2024
Reform UK has published its manifesto today. It has less than half a page of text on benefits, under the heading
“The Benefits System is Broken”and featuring a slogan of “In Britain, if you can work, you must work.”On PIP and the WCA, Reform says:
Face to Face, Not Remote Assessments for BenefitsPersonal Independence Payment and Work Capability Assessment should be face to face. We will require independent medical assessments to prove eligibility for payments. Those registered with severe disabilities or serious long-term illnesses would be exempt from regular checks.When benefits and work carried out a poll of readers two years ago on what sort of PIP assessment they would prefer, the results were:
- Paper 59%
- Phone 20%
- Face-to-face 20%
- Video 1%
So this is a move that would be unpopular with the majority of Benefits and Work readers
The remainder of the text is devoted to raising the starting point for tax to £20,000 a year and an aim
“Motivate up to 2 million People Back to Work”.Reform say that:
“Reforms to benefit support and training will help people back into work. Particular focus on 16-34 year olds. Employment is critical to improving mental health. Tax relief for businesses that undertake apprenticeships.”The manifesto goes on to warn that:
“All job seekers and those fit to work must find employment within 4 months or accept a job after 2 offers. Otherwise, benefits are withdrawn.”You can download a copy of Reform UK’s manifesto from this link.
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Kernowdamo also has a good video out. He’s a green councillor and a carer
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Thanks @Catherine21 .The reason I mentioned it is because I genuinely see no other way to ensure that disabled and vulnerable people are properly supported. It’s tough to trust any major political party on its own. We need strong leadership and a massive movement to push this forward.
But how ??? is the curious question…..🤔🤔
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I agree. At least they are transparent about it unlike Labour who had nothing in their manifesto about it.
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That’s true, @gamer1
LIEBOUR (as some of our members refer to them) are truly the party of lies.
What an awful bunch they’ve turned out to be 😖
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