Green Paper Discussion (from 24th March, 2025)
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Thinking of you Danny123
Take good care and glad your mum coming home.
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@Danny123 Really pleased your mum is coming home tomorrow and wishing her well for her ongoing recovery π take good care of yourself too.
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Hello all.
I tried to take time away just to get away from worrying but here I am on a sleepless night worrying.
My thoughts are:
That these cuts and changes will be disproportionately effecting disabled people surely none of it will be seen as lawful? Thing is I suspect Starmer intends to pass PIP/Universal Credit's changes as a money legislation (mentioned on here) meaning the Lords can't amend it and so it becomes the law of the land.
This PIP 4 Point Rule is nothing to do with money, surely that requires a different legislation and or a Green/White Paper?
The Green Paper and the subsequent White Paper may face legal challenges and possible amendments by the Lords. I think it's there where legal apparatus will be used.
Lastly I thought Labour would be the least worst option, they're even more worse than I imagined.
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Wishes for your mumβs ongoing recovery . Take care @Danny123
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Well, what they have released so far is not very clear. WCA is going to be scrapped for LCWRA but merged to PIP so all on LCWRA and PIP will have to do the new merged WCA. So EITHER they will have to remove mental health descriptors from the merged WCA to get rid of most mental health claimants from their benefits or add mental health descriptors to facilitate the most severe mental health conditions in the merged WCA.
PIP is really meant to be for mobility conditions and the costs for mobility. It does not really cater for mental health. Remembering that they have added the 4 point daily living making it harder for everyone anyway. This is not right. They have to give us more information on what the WCA is going to be whether they are going to facilitate mental health or not and whether they care about conditions that are NOT COVERED at all even now by the WCA.
If they are going to use the current PIP WCA just adding the 4 point in one descriptor for daily living to qualify it will mean EVERY mental health claimant will not qualify and many mobility claimants will not qualify. They need to give more info and be clear with it.
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I had a look at the points i was rewarded on my current pip, I donβt have the βmixing with peopleβ unless I didnβt get points for that, I do have points for engaging with people face to face is that the same as it sounds the same
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I'm sorry π to hear that you've had such a bad night.
You must feel powerless to do anything but that doesn't need to be the case. π
Have you heard of Disabled People Against Cuts? π€
They organised the big protest in London recently that was all over the media against these wicked proposals. πͺ
π https://dpac.uk.net/
Also, are you aware of Benefits and Work? I've been a member for years and I don't know where I would be without their expert benefit guides. I can't recommend them enough to give you a proper chance to submit the best evidence you can when you get your next assessment.
π https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/
They both have campaigns to submit evidence, directly to parliament so you can tell them how the proposals will affect you as a disabled person and more you can take part in besides.
DPAC is Β£2 a year for membership and B&W is Β£20. You can sign up for their newsletters whether you're a member or not.
I do hope that you will consider having a look into them both if you have not been aware of them. Good Luck. π€ π π
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Yes they are the same :)
Iβve heard both being used, but itβs the exact same thing.
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I was denied PIP in 2014 , I got 4 points for mixing with people as i wear dark glasses and cannot look people in the eye .
I was awarded PIP in 2023 and put the same thing down and got 2 points , this shows me that different assessors have got no clue at all and just tick a number that they see fit .
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Same its affecting my sleep and my cpap is showing events higher now, I am supposed to have 5 or less an hour, but now since the benefit changes I am having 8 and 9 . It's cruel what they're doing .
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I think that every single claimant who has been assessed with less than 4 points in a single category should apply for a reassessment (what have they got to lose ?) - when these 100,000's applications hit their inbox - they will not be able to cope with the numbers and these reassessments will take decades to churn through ? I liked to think that those claimants would be left with their present benefit levels until they are reassessed - because any delays will be their fault rather than the claimants fault.
And as for the reason for the reassessment request - "Mental Anguish caused by DWP changing the rules"
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some are saying its a done deal ,
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can this be achieved on review ?
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I think you're doing brilliantly Cath. It's torture isn't it? But like you said, we can't let them win. Today the gutter press are going on about people with thousands in savings can claim disability benefits. As if to say how greedy we are.
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I don't see why not - a review is supposed to be a chance to tell DWP of any changes
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Firstly, I do hope that everything continues to go well for your Mum. π€π
Thank you for asking if we are all OK. In my case, as good as I can be under the circumstances. You're right that we cannot dwell on this all the time, it's the only way to cope and keep ourselves sane.
You must feel powerless to do anything about the situation but that doesn't need to be the case. There is more that you can do than you think.π
Have you heard of Disabled People Against Cuts? π€
They organised the big protest in London recently that was all over the media against these wicked proposals.πͺ Here's the link.
https://dpac.uk.net/
Also, are you aware of Benefits and Work? I've been a member for years and I don't know where I would be without their expert benefit guides. I can't recommend them enough to give you a proper chance to submit the best evidence you can when you get your next assessment. Here's the link.
https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/
They both have campaigns to submit evidence, directly to parliament so you can tell them how the proposals will affect you as a disabled person and more you can take part in besides.
DPAC is Β£2 a year for membership and B&W is Β£20. You can sign up for their newsletters whether you're a member or not.
I do hope that you will consider having a look into them both if you have not been aware of them.
Do look after and take care of yourself too. Good Luck. π€ π π
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Well, you can't exactly contest the 2 point descriptors as she is having an assessment, not going through to appeal but I know what you mean. π
My suggestion for getting your wife the maximum chance of 4 points in a least one DL descriptor is, I don't know if you've heard of them, but I am a member of Benefits and Work, the link is
I've been with them for many years and don't honestly know what I would have done without them. I'm sure that I wouldn't have my two 4 pointers in DL, in preparing a meal and mixing with people, that's for sure. If your wife, or yourself, on her behalf become a member it's only Β£20 a year. You will get the benefit guides and news and will be able to sign up for their newsletter.
I hope that might help you both. π
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βThe NIESR, established in 1938, is Britain's oldest economic research institute. Its βUK Living Standards Review 2025β published last month found that βThe UK has some of the least generous welfare across the OECD: the UK ranks in the middle of OECD countries for welfare spending (as a percent of GDP) and third lowest for welfare value (percent of average wages).βΒ
The report notes, βWelfare has only covered the cost of essentials in two out of the last 14 years: only during the pandemic did welfare cover the costs of essentials due to the Β£20 per week uplift to Universal Credit.β
The NIESR determines that the βUK is neither a high wage nor high welfare country: the consequence of weak wage growth and cuts in welfare spending have meant that by comparison to other countries the two main sources of living standards in the UK is limited.β
One startling conclusion of the NIESR is that βThe poorest households in Slovenia and Malta are now better off than the poorest in the UK: whereas real incomes grew consistently before the 2008 financial crisis, the stagnation afterwards has meant that other countries have overtaken the UK standard of living.β
Link:
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/04/04/sebn-a04.html
I guess we should be moving to Malta or the Eslovenia then.
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