The Green Paper Discussion (the document link is here too!)

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  • HollisMcBobbery
    HollisMcBobbery Community Member Posts: 31 Contributor
    edited March 2025

    fantastic read thanks for the info.

    Just to make it clear I'm no reform fan! Just love the tories being screwed.

    I'm fully in the I hate Reform, Tories and now Labour cohort of voters lol

  • Girl_No1
    Girl_No1 Community Member Posts: 413 Trailblazing

    @HollisMcBobbery (love the username, btw!)

    General rant incoming ….

    If even half of those two million the politicians think should be at work, that number would need to increased by approx. 40-50% to take into account unpaid carers who support us.

    Let's call it three million. From where the freaking heck are employers going to magic up three million jobs?? Particularly as AI becomes more entrenched in the workplace. That's before considering the who knows how many additional health & care staff that will be require to be recruited to offer this 'personalised' support to the two million rejoining the workforce. New 'recruits' from benefit claimants are extremely unlikely to be the specialist medical/psychological/psychiatric staff who will be required to provide this.

    From my own perspective, over decades of working with a hidden disability, whilst employers were onboard with making (some) adjustments to accommodate my condition, the resentment from colleagues, towards those accommodations and me, was personalised, horrendous, humiliating, and ultimately exacerbated my condition.

    Should jobs even be found for us, I don't think anyone has identified it is not only employers who need to be educated and supportive but colleagues also. Or, if colleagues cannot be supportive, at least there should be some mechanism whereby disabled people can leave such environments without punitive action from DWP.

    Ultimately, Labour will, once again, become the "Party That Isn't Working" as the unemployed figures balloon.

    We'll have come full circle since they introduced disability benefits as a means of massaging their then horrendous unemployment figures.

    Bottom line for me is I'm too old for their games. Between now and the sh*t hitting the fan, I'm making plans to ensure I and my disabled relatives can live (together if necessary) with as much dignity as possible in our final years.

  • johnnyy85
    johnnyy85 Community Member Posts: 266 Empowering
    edited March 2025

    In the sun today

    “Rachel Reeves will use Labour's monster majority to face down welfarerebels”

    “RACHEL Reeves has vowed to use Labour’s monster majority to secure welfare reforms as she declared the total spend on benefits is “morally indefensible and economically damaging”.

  • Bigboblee50
    Bigboblee50 Community Member Posts: 41 Contributor

    AbsolAbsolute dread is consuming me I only just migrated to UC LCWRA a long wait first payment April 23 no idea how little it would be as someone taking pity left me 14k so they are bound to punish me for that. Only just migrated and no matter what they rename it UC Health plan throwing me off in 3 to 4 years one small crumb of comfort I will be nearer pension then but still. I want to end this I can't do this 😢

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    councils are panicking apparently as the lose of pip means the lose of carers allowance. Local councils will have to take over the caring of ppl as their carers are forced to work. Something they either didn’t think about or just don’t care

  • Bigboblee50
    Bigboblee50 Community Member Posts: 41 Contributor

    32×4.35p so much for transitional protection that's over a hundred pounds lost

  • Martinp
    Martinp Community Member Posts: 248 Empowering

    Thinking of you all. Just watched that ghastly excuse for a human being prattling on about how everyone will have improved quality of life by 2030.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    Hi Albus, it’s unbelievable to think this could possibly become law . Nit just to lose pip but lcwra too . So our only option is to engage with a work coach but what will they do for ppl they can see clearly can’t work. They will basically be no category for us . Surely denying shelter food etc for long term sick and disabled is against human rights laws. I read in comments earlier on a YouTube channel that the ECHR don’t really protect disabled ppl . Is that true ? I think it would be helpful if scope posted an explanation of the voting system for this and how we are protected in law through the courts plus how long these procedures could possibly delay the laws . I personally think MPs will do whatever they’re told by Starmer as they don’t want to lose the whip . Court could be are only saviour . But I don’t think there’s enough information regarding the courts to put my mind at rest .

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Community Member Posts: 1,416 Championing

    Daily mail today showing reeves trying to do bricklaying for her scheme of apprenticeships

    She's so gross throwing her head back and laughing . Despicable woman especially at what she's done to us

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    if it goes to the echr I can’t see Starmer ignoring that . I can’t remember who but one minister I’m sure said in regards to immigration that they won’t go against the echr. So it wouldn’t look good if they ignored the echr when it suits them .

  • tcellmutation
    tcellmutation Community Member Posts: 341 Empowering

    There will be a different category for severely disabled people. If you are too disabled to work, don't worry!

  • apples
    apples Community Member Posts: 554 Empowering

    There needs to be a vote of no confidence due to the lies during the election, for one starmer said council tax would be freezed there’s a lie for a start

  • Bigboblee50
    Bigboblee50 Community Member Posts: 41 Contributor

    That's my understanding all existing lcwra by 2028 must engage regularly with a work coach only the most severely ill exempt as only pip style assessment which is tougher will give any additional protection so suddenly many people right now lcwra suddenly miraculously healed

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    I watched a film recently where evil ppl were found mummified behind a bricked up wall . Your comment just reminded me of that .

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    but who decides if we are too disabled to work ? The assessors who lie ? Work coaches with no medical experience? It’s all open to interpretation. What protection is there for pip who fail pip as most do at some stage ?

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    I should of looked out for Rachel in the credits, something else in her CV

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    my comment would of seemed rather random if you didn’t see the comment I was replying to Catherine 😂. I just realised that .

  • dayjarvoo
    dayjarvoo Community Member Posts: 10 Connected

    You could write to members of the Committee for Work and pensions instead. The members are listed here:

    https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/164/work-and-pensions-committee/membership/

    Write to members as individual MPs rather than to the Committee.

    Thankyou Zipz….

    Please,

    1. what is the Committee for Works and Pensions exactly.

    2. I was told by local mps before that you can ONLY write to your own mp?

    Thanks for any advice anyone and good luck to all, hope you are ok x

  • Stellar
    Stellar Community Member Posts: 464 Pioneering
    edited March 2025

    That won't happen. It would require most Labour MPs to go against their leader, which they won't do. Most Labour MPs—especially new ones—are loyalist doormats.

    which is also ironic as that scheme will fail too because most abled British people simply don't want to do bricklaying and similar manual jobs. The pay is ****, they offer minimal career progression. Moreover, manual labour jobs will wreck people's bodies and force an early retirement (and given governments keep raising the retirement age, effectively forces people into destitution in their middle age).

    The only way ableds, especially British people, will take up apprenticeships like bricklaying is through abuse and coercion. The same techniques the Tories use against disabled people.

  • Stellar
    Stellar Community Member Posts: 464 Pioneering

    That's a select committee is one of many governmental bodies made up of MPs across all parties meant to scrutinise government policies. Their webpage is here:

    Work and Pensions Committee - Summary - Committees - UK Parliament

    As for writing to MPs, you can write to any MP - they can't stop you from doing so. However, only your local MP can take on your case on your constituency level. If you write to any other MP, they are allowed to not respond.

    However, in cases like select committees or ministers, you are allowed to contact them in that capacity if they're not your local MP.

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